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    It has been thirteen long seasons since the Kansas City Chiefs and fans have witnessed a playoff win.

    Also, in the the past twenty NFL drafts, the Chiefs average selection in the first round has been an "average middle of the road" pick #15. Three of those twenty drafts were without a first round selection.

    Respectable and average are getting rather old.

    It just might be time to try a different appoach towards the draft. Submitted for your thinking is a somewhat "out of the box" attempt to change the face of this organization:

    #1 TRADE: RB Larry Johnson to the Buffalo Bills for the following picks:
    2/43, 3/74, 3/92 and a 2008 3rd round pick.

    #2 TRADE: Pick #1/23 to San Francisco for the following picks:
    3/76, 4/104, 4/110, 4/124 and a 2008 2nd round pick.

    #3 TRADE: Pick #2/43 (Buffalo) to Washington for the following pick:
    2008 1st round pick.

    #4 TRADE: Pick #2/54 to Houston for the following pick:
    2008 1st round pick.

    2007 NFL DRAFT SELECTIONS/KANSAS CITY

    3/74
    3/76
    3/84
    3/92
    4/104
    4/110
    4/124
    5/160
    6/
    7/

    2008 NFL DRAFT SELECTIONS/KANSAS CITY

    1st (Washington)
    1st (Houston)
    1st (K.C.)

    2nd (K.C)
    2nd (San Francisco)

    3rd (Buffalo)
    3rd (K.C.)
    Last edited by Cisco Kid; 04-21-2007 at 05:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cisco Kid View Post
    Well, for anyone who bothers to read my ramblings...it sure kind of looks as if there is some serious fire to this smoke. I won't "cloud" things up with much more than to say the breaking news is that the Chiefs have in fact been talking with six teams about a trade for LJ. The concern about trading LJ is that a team must be willing to sign him to a long term contract now. As for the low amount in return for LJ, this has a great deal to do with the direction the NFL is going regarding the RB position. Indy kind of helped move this along with their success after parting ways with E. James (Cardinals) and addressing their RB needs by using a rookie and RB by committee.

    Johnson will be traded if not before or during the draft certainly after the 2007 season. K.C. can and will place the Franchise tag on LJ (if it gets that far, doubt it) and simply shop him from day one of free agency 2008. My best guess is that a trade will happen after the first round and involve some 2007 draft picks but more so the 2008.

    Aside from Adrian Peterson there really isn't much in the way of quality at the RB position. Yes there are several backup types, but not much when it comes to game-backing runners. Once the teams have "missed out" on the runningbacks, they will be more open to trading for Johnson.


    This appears to be true as reported by Nick "the erroneous one" Athan.

    Chiefs, LJ Playing Poker
    Johnson headed out of KC?
    By Nick Athan
    Warpaint Illustrated Publisher
    Posted Apr 24, 2007

    As we first mentioned on our premium forum early in March, there was a possibility the Chiefs would shop All-Pro running back Larry Johnson. On Tuesday evening those reports became public, as the Chiefs have had preliminary discussions with at least four NFL teams. But will the Chiefs really trade LJ? And what is LJís end game?

    Johnson is perfectly suited to excel in Herm Edwardsí offense. He does things between the tackles that few other running backs can. When he gets to the outside he thunders down the field as if shot out of a cannon. Johnson is tough, physical and runs with a chip on his shoulder as wide as the Grand Canyon.

    But he doesnít block well and has had troubles catching the ball out of the backfield. Still, he does enough to make him dangerous and the Chiefs have overlooked these shortcomings, until now.

    Thatís because Johnson wants to get paid. He wants to be the highest-paid running back in the NFL. He wants LaDainian Tomlinson money. Two years ago, the San Diego Chargers signed Tomlinson to an eight-year contract with a street value of $65 million. In actual upfront dollars, Tomlinson received $25 million guaranteed, and it was appropriate compensation for the NFL's best running back.

    What separates LT from LJ is obvious. He can run, catch, block and on occasion, throw touchdown passes. LJ can run, and in my opinion is better at it than Tomlinson. But LT earned that contract because of his versatility. LJ wants that paycheck and then some.

    Does he deserve it?

    To be honest, no. Especially when you factor in that he wants more money than Tomlinson. In fact, we hear that heís asked for the sun and the moon. The Chiefs are willing to pay him the moon, but reserve the right to give the sun to the rest of the players on the 53-man roster.

    Once the Chiefs found out about Johnsonís latest contract demands they began spreading the word that he might be available via trade. In that time frame, according to the NFL Network, four teams have stepped up to bat - the Cleveland Browns, Tennessee Titans, Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills. Weíve also heard the New York Giants might be willing to talk turkey with the Chiefs.

    Now the fun begins.

    Chiefs President/General Manager Carl Peterson has some leverage in this deal. The Chiefs own Johnsonís rights for 2007 and will probably franchise him in 2008, when he will be 29 years old and on the downward cycle of his career.

    At that point the Chiefs will have beaten him up with another 800-plus carries and received four great seasons from Johnson, all for only the value of his $8 million rookie contract. A portion of that has been voided thanks to the number of carries Johnson took last season, so letís call it $6 million instead

    As a franchise running back, in 2008 Johnson will make somewhere in the neighborhood of $8 million. So for $14 million, the Chiefs get LJís prime NFL years. I call that a bargain.

    Peterson knows that this weekendís NFL Draft is full of players that can fill virtually every hole on the roster if the Chiefs acquire a few more draft picks. Kansas City has needs along the offensive line, defensive line, at cornerback and wide receiver.

    Imagine what the Chiefs could do if they were able to acquire three picks for Johnson - letís say a first and third this year and a second next year. They could do what the Chargers did two years ago when they traded the rights to Eli Manning.

    The only problem is that other NFL teams arenít stupid. They know of LJís reputation and though heís beyond gifted, heís not a guy you lean on in the locker room. As long as he produces, most can live with his attitude, but sooner or later that rubs some the wrong way.

    We donít know if the Chiefs have reached that point, but one thing is clear. Contract talks have taken a sharp turn, and now it appears the Chiefs will call LJís bluff.

    The New England Patriots were in the same position a year ago with disgruntled wide receiver Deion Branch. They let him talk to NFL teams, and most passed, except for one. The Seattle Seahawks gave New England a first-round pick and then gave Branch $39 million and $13 million signing bonus.

    The Chiefs have to hope that some team out there takes the bait on the trap theyíve set. They donít want to trade LJ, but if some other NFL team is so inclined to give the Chiefs a whopping deal in return, theyíll consider it a Royal Flush, cash in their chips and move on.

    Nobody really knows what Johnson wants but one thing is certain - heís never really played things well in Kansas City. He didnít get along well with Dick Vermeil.

    Once again heís misplayed his position - or has he? If he truly wants out of Kansas City as some believe, then heís playing the mega-contract card. Itís really his only play, if thatís his end game.

    If he wants to remain a Chief while becoming the highest-paid back in the NFL, then I suggest he get out on the practice field with the blocking sled and push it around until he drives it into the turf every day.

    When heís done with that he should catch 500 footballs every day. He wonít have to work on his running skills, because heís reached his peak in that area.

    Iíve always supported Johnson, but maybe itís time he takes a long, hard look at himself and realizes that this is a team game. The only numbers that truly matter are on the scoreboard in the Super Bowl. If he canít understand that, it might be a foregone conclusion that heíll be playing for a new team sometime soon.

    Maybe as soon as Saturday.
    Last edited by Chiefster; 04-25-2007 at 02:09 AM.


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    Nick Athan?! I don't need his help to tell me 2 plus 2 is 4. I should charge him for reading my post!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cisco Kid View Post
    Nick Athan?! I don't need his help to tell me 2 plus 2 is 4. I should charge him for reading my post!!!

    ROFL LOL!!!

    That way we could fund my new contest idea.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster View Post
    Well not to disagree, and trust me I hope you're right, but 12 straight Pro Bowls out of a fourteen year career one would think has to account for something.

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    after awhile i think they,o-line, make it on their name. dont get me wrong, sheilds is good but i thought he lost a step or two last year too. i think welborn will do ok.
    i can remember what a chief super bowl team looks like! ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfpack View Post
    after awhile i think they,o-line, make it on their name. dont get me wrong, sheilds is good but i thought he lost a step or two last year too. i think welborn will do ok.

    Well you don't start all but one game in fourteen straight years in this league and do the job that Shields did without "losing a step". However, he makes up for it with experience. At least his retirement didn't just come out of nowhere like Roaf's did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cisco Kid View Post
    Nick Athan?! I don't need his help to tell me 2 plus 2 is 4. I should charge him for reading my post!!!

    Great post, (grin) go get him Kid, I totally agree with you!!


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