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    Default It was good having you on the team Jared.

    Way to go Carl.

    Herm has completely killed this team now.




    Chiefs' Allen talking with Vikings, Bucs



    Jared Allen's days with the Chiefs appear to be numbered.


    Allen, the NFL's reigning sack leader, told FOXSports.com that the Vikings and Buccaneers have held trade talks with the Chiefs and he anticipates a deal will get done prior to next week's draft.


    "It's a situation that works out best for both sides," Allen told FOXSports.com. "I can go to a team that is competing for a championship right now. The Chiefs can get valuable draft picks to rebuild with."


    Allen said he is flying to Minnesota and has a visit set up with the Vikings by this weekend. He is tentatively scheduled to meet with Tampa Bay next week. The Jacksonville Jaguars had previously inquired with Allen's camp as well.


    The Pro Bowl defensive end is the Chiefs' franchise player, but re-signing in Kansas City will be a problem as the team is looking to stockpile draft picks.


    Allen said the two sticking points are working out terms of a deal with a new team and the Chiefs agreeing to compensation for a trade. A package of first- and second-round picks or one of first- and third-round picks in the upcoming draft have been discussed as possible terms. It's unclear at this point what it will take to get the deal done.


    Allen, a four-year veteran, led the league in sacks in 2007 with 15.5 and has 13 forced fumbles in the past three seasons.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    I see.

    I thought is was part of the trade.
    So you thought the chiefs were getting three 1's and a 3rd?
    THAT quarterback is NOT a Pro Bowl quarterback. Never was and never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
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    As teams like the Minnesota Vikings and Tampa Bay Buccaneers explore the possibility of working out a long-term deal with the Kansas City Chiefs for franchise-tagged defensive end Jared Allen, the looming concern is Allen’s two prior DUI arrests, which culminated in a four-game suspension in 2007 that Commissioner Roger Goodell eventually cut in half.

    And due to the elimination from the 2006 revisions to the Collective Bargaining Agreement of sweeping signing bonus forfeiture provisions, any team that gives Allen a huge chunk of guaranteed money will be able to recover only a limited amount of the cash if Allen, for example, celebrates his new contract by bending an elbow moments before driving a car.

    So with Allen wanting $30 million in guaranteed money, there’s simply no way for any team to get adequate protection. The easiest (and perhaps only) way for a team to ensure that it doesn’t get burned is to dump a bunch of the money into annual roster bonuses and/or salaries that are guaranteed for injury only. Then, if Allen acts up in any given year, he can be cut and the future financial obligations can be avoided.

    Whether Allen has really put his past in his behind (or something), no one really knows. Bucs running back Michael Bennett has vouched for his former Chiefs teammate, according to our friends at Pewter Report: “Jared has really matured and he’s over that,” Bennett said. “I’ve been around the guy and know how serious he takes his job. A lot of people make mistakes and we learn from them.”

    But then there’s the little issue of Allen’s restaurant/bar. It’s called Club 69. And if the double-entendre based on Allen’s jersey number wasn’t enough, the club’s far less subtle motto is “Wine ‘Em, Dine ‘Em, 69 ‘Em.”

    Yeah, Jared has matured.

    Look, he’s a dominant player. He’s arguably one of the best defensive ends in the game. But if this guy thinks that anyone is going to make a huge financial investment without finding a way to protect itself against him having another run-in with alcohol, then perhaps he already has had one.
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    And this is the problem the Chiefs are having in signing Allen...how bout that.....other teams have the same issues with Allen's past....huh.
    Imagine that... Other teams are using his history as an excuse to get a cheaper deal from the Chiefs, and from Allen? Who would have ever thought something like that was possible?

    Teams are protected from is guaranteed money. Ever heard of Michael Vick? He had to pay back a large portion of the guaranteed money in his contract, because he got in trouble, and couldn't play.

    Ther was this other guy named Ricky Williams, who had a similar situation.

    Also, some contracts include "clauses" specifically designed to protect the team from paying a huge "guaranteed" amount, with a palyer getting suspended.

    Whining about that, is just a way of trying to lower the pricetag of what you are trying to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    Imagine that... Other teams are using his history as an excuse to get a cheaper deal from the Chiefs, and from Allen? Who would have ever thought something like that was possible?

    Teams are protected from is guaranteed money. Ever heard of Michael Vick? He had to pay back a large portion of the guaranteed money in his contract, because he got in trouble, and couldn't play.

    Ther was this other guy named Ricky Williams, who had a similar situation.

    Also, some contracts include "clauses" specifically designed to protect the team from paying a huge "guaranteed" amount, with a palyer getting suspended.

    Whining about that, is just a way of trying to lower the pricetag of what you are trying to get.
    Those teams got SOME of that money back, but the bulk of the guaranteed money is still in the hands of the player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    I'm still pretty sure we get 2 first round draft picks for a franchised player.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guru View Post
    Well, according to ESPN, the Chiefs are considering a 1st and 3rd from the Vikes.

    The two first round picks is NOT a requirement just a starting point.
    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    I see.

    I thought is was part of the trade.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guru View Post
    So you thought the chiefs were getting three 1's and a 3rd?
    This is from wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt, but if it's right then we get 2 1st round draft picks for Jared because we hit him with the non-exclusive franchise tag.

    There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:
    • An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount equal to or greater than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.
    • A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount equal to or greater than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
    It is the team's choice whether it uses an exclusive or a non-exclusive franchise tag. While it may seem that a team would always choose the exclusive option, there are two reasons a team might prefer the non-exclusive option instead. The first is that the salary is based on the top 5 salaries of the previous year instead of the current year, which could be a significant difference. The second reason is that a team may want the opportunity for the two first-round draft picks they would receive if they lost their player.



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    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    This is from wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt, but if it's right then we get 2 1st round draft picks for Jared because we hit him with the non-exclusive franchise tag.
    That is if he signs with the Vikings...if he is traded then the situation is different. If he signs with the Vikings the Chiefs can simply match the contract and keep him...so essentially by putting the "tag" on Allen, Carl allowed Allen to go out in the market and set his market price, and then Carl and Herm can decide whether that price is worth more or less than two 1st round picks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbedgood View Post
    That is if he signs with the Vikings...if he is traded then the situation is different. If he signs with the Vikings the Chiefs can simply match the contract and keep him...so essentially by putting the "tag" on Allen, Carl allowed Allen to go out in the market and set his market price, and then Carl and Herm can decide whether that price is worth more or less than two 1st round picks.
    I'm pretty sure i said this earlier in the thread.

    There IS a difference between outright signing with a team and being traded to a team. Allen should be getting a long term contract ironed out with the Vikings. Once that is done, the Vikings and Chiefs will talk about trading his "RIGHTS." Basically, they'll be trading Allen's franchise tag, then Allen will sign the new deal from the Vikings.

    The Chiefs probably don't want only a first rounder this year and one next year. They probably want to find a way to get all of Allen's value in this upcoming draft and not split it up between two drafts.

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    So are we guaranteed two 1st round picks from them or not?
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    If we get anything less than a 1st and second this year and a 1st next year it's not worth it. I mean JA is only 26 and PROVEN DE the vikes could be a serious contender with JA

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    So are we guaranteed two 1st round picks from them or not?
    Only if he signs with the team outright.

    If he's traded, the Chiefs forfeit those two first rounders and a new deal between the Vikings and Chiefs will be reached via trade but will probably have the same value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpoppachief View Post
    If we get anything less than a 1st and second this year and a 1st next year it's not worth it. I mean JA is only 26 and PROVEN DE the vikes could be a serious contender with JA
    Agreed!

    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Only if he signs with the team outright.

    If he's traded, the Chiefs forfeit those two first rounders and a new deal between the Vikings and Chiefs will be reached via trade but will probably have the same value.
    Why would we offer a trade rather than just making the Vikes pay him an outrageous amount of money and taking their 2 first round picks?

    Do you think the team could get even more picks?
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