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jmlamerson
The problem is that you confuse signing bad free agents (like Law and LJ) with signing good free agents (like Vilma and Ndami would be). Not all free agents are created equal. Hard and fast rule - sign free agents on the upside of their careers, not the downside. Which is why Al Davis and Daniel Snyder usually fail, and Scott Pioli and Bill Parcells usually succeed. There is a great middle ground between signing free agents like Al Davis and building through the draft like Herm Edwards. That great middle ground is where contenders and championship teams are found.
Do you really think the Tampa Bay Rays won the World Series? You may want to watch some baseball before writing things like that. Anyway, you can't compare baseball (with its farm system) or basketball (with its small rosters) with football when talking about building a champion.
lol... that's funny. the sad part is a went back over and proof read this post and didn't catch it. I meant teams MAKING a championship game. I think I mentioned a few other teams as examples that didn't WIN the championship, but made the game.
Our team is massively under the cap. Any argument that we can't sign FAs because it will prevent our signing our young guys long term is ridiculous. Who, exactly, is going to be demanding a large contract from our ownership? DJ? Page? Pollard? Those guys aren't going to be demanding large contracts. Bowe and Albert might, but they aren't going to demand that they get paid like the top 5 at their position or anything. Flowers (albiet due to injury) and (especialy) Dorsey haven't proven anything yet.
You and I agree, I think, that we should build our offense through the draft, even if we disagree about the players we should draft. The reason is that players we have drafted (Bowe and Albert) or signed young FAs (Thigpen and Bradley) on offense are turning out well. I trust Chan Gailey to rebuild this unit, as long as he is given the personnel and the time. He's done great things this season - moving to the spread to reduce the impact of the bad parts of our OL, trusting Thigpen, somehow managing a running game, building Bradley into a legitimate no. 2 WR - but he isn't a miracle worker, and our offense won't work next season unless we get some talent on the OL. We actually have the chance this offseason to rebuild our offense for the next five to seven years by drafting good personnel on offense.
The exact opoosite is true on our defense. Whether it is because Herm and Gunther don't mesh, whether it is because of strength and conditioning, or whether it is because the personnel just aren't good, our defense is oft-injured. Even when healthy, it's still near the last in the league in run and in the bottom third of pass defense. Our starting defense is made up of three first round picks (DJ, Dorsey, and Hali), three second round picks (McBride, Pollard, Flowers), one third round pick (Tank), three lower picks (Page, Carr, and Thomas), and one FA (Edwards, this time around at least). That is an awful amount of high picks that have been spent on our defense over the past three years (seven in the first three rounds - including Morgan, and not includng Vermeil's DJ) since Herm's came into town. My motto can be summed up as such:
I DO NOT TRUST HERM EDWARDS TO DRAFT DEFENSIVE PLAYERS.
Flowers has looked good when in, but he is hurt. Carr has looked OK in the first half of games, but is getting torched in the second halves. Pollard's been OK, and may turn out well when we stop fooling around with the Cover 2 (a defense he is not suited for). The rest are not even close to living up to their draft status as impact rookies. Why exactly do you want Herm Edwards to draft more defensive players? There isn't a starter on our defense who will demand Jared Allen money. We desparately need help on our DL, which has been pretty hopeless. Do you really think that a DE Herm drafts will have any sort of impact?
Depends where he drafts him. If he's a top 10 pick, then yeah. Hali isn't nearly as bad as you make him out to be. I think he'd benefit from another pass rushing DE like Allen opposite of him. It's easier to miss on players taken later in the first round than it is to miss on players WORTHY of a top 10 selection.
You're right, in a way, when you say that contender uses the draft to rebuild a team, rather than shipping those picks in trades (like David or Snyder). You misjudge the number of FAs on football championship teams (the Giants, Rams, Pats, and Bucs all had a number of impact free agents at important positions), but you're correct that we should replenish our players through the draft. But I direct you to my motto:
I DO NOT TRUST HERM EDWARDS TO DRAFT DEFENSIVE PLAYERS.
To be fair, I don't trust him on offense either - I just trust Gailey to turn lead into gold if need be.
The Chiefs defense is like the Lions offense - a lot of high picks for no results.
What we have right now is Vermeil-lite. We have a competent offense (obviously not to Vermeil levels, but still) that is being let down by a horrendous defense. The difference is that people aren't calling this defense out.
And I mean this without any sarcasm and with real curiosity - do you really believe that Herm Edwards will ever lead this team to 13-3 and multiple conference championships? And if you do, do you believe this for any concrete reason (past job performance, coaching skills, etc.) or just because you want to believe that the past three years weren't wasted?
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