Redoing the 2008 NFL Draft

[jmlamerson]

Given the Chiefs current predicament, I was given to wonder if we would be an improved team if we drafted better. Below is my redo of the Chiefs draft. I have taken into account all trades. I have assumed that all players we originally drafted would be there no matter my changes.

Round 1, pick 5 - Ryan Clady, LT (originally Glenn Dorsey, DT)
Rd 1, pk 15 - Brendan Albert, RG (same)
Rd 2, pk 4 - Brandan Flowers, CB (same)
Rd 3, pk 10 - Jeremy Zuttah, RT (originally Jamaal Charles, RB)
Rd 3, pk 13 - Mario Manningham, WR (originally Brad Cottam, TE)
Rd 3, pk 19 - Steve Slaton, RB (originally DuJuan Morgan, S)
Rd 4, pk 6 - Cody Wallace, C (originally Will Franklin, WR)
Rd 5, pk 5 - Brandon Carr, CB (same)
Rd 6, pk 4 - Geno Hayes, LB (originally Barry Richardson, RT)
Rd 6, pk 16 - Colt Brennan, QB (originally Kevin Robinson, WR)
Rd 7, pk 3 - Brian Johnston, DE (same)
Rd 7, pk 32 - Chis Horton, S (originally Mike Merritt, FB)

What do you think? Yes, there's a lot of armchair redoing, but they're the picks I wanted for the first three rounds at least at the time. For the rest, I went with what were obviously our needs that were not addressed in the draft. I didn't like Johnston still, but I won't pretend I knew of better DEs that low.

[slc chief]

We have an all star we won't trade at the TE position for at least 2008. Grooming a TE would be a nice luxury, but a we needed a starting LB, RG, or RT in a much worse way than a TE.

I mean, if Tony G. retires, that's sad and I'll miss him. But TE is pretty low on the hierarchy of need positions.

agreed let him learn from tony for a year or two and i think he will be an above average te also keep an eye on robinson that we drafted out of utah st if given the chance he will return some kicks he tore it up in college he has the potential to bring back the dante hall type returns

[jmlamerson]

How about some LBs?

I forgot Slaton went so late, but then again, there always seems to be quality RBs in the 3rd-5th rounds.

Well, I have one there, Geno Hayes in the 6th.

My problem with drafting defense, either in my redo or next draft, is that I don't think it will help much. That until we get a new HC, defensive scheme, and DC, we're pretty much just tossing those picks away. That's why, except for Flowers, I only started drafting defense in the 5th.

About Slaton, as much as I think Charles may turn out to be a good 3rd down back, even at the time he was drafted, no one thought he'd be an every down back. It seemed to be a waste to pick up a 3rd down back when we have so many other needs. Slaton was projected as a sleeper in every mock draft I saw, and everyone knew he was a more every down sort of back.

[TRB05]

Well, I have one there, Geno Hayes in the 6th.

Oops...missed that.

[jmlamerson]

Oops...missed that.

No biggie. If we had drafted like this, we'd have right now as our starters (assuming health):

QB: Tyler Thigpen
FB: Mike Cox
RB: Steve Slaton
WR1: Bowe
WR2: Bradley
WR3: Manningham
TE: Tony G.
LT: Clady
LG: Waters
C: Cody Wallace/Niswanger
RG: Albert
RT: Zuttah

LDE: McBride
RDE: Hali
1DT: Edwards
2DT: Tank
LOLB: DJ
MLB: Pat Thomas
ROLB: Geno Hayes
1CB: Flowers
2CB: Carr
SS: Pollard
FS: Horton

Is our offense much better? Yes. Is our defense much better? No, but it isn't worse either.

What this means to me - draft offense this upcoming year. Fix what's fixable in the early rounds.

[chief31]

Given the Chiefs current predicament, I was given to wonder if we would be an improved team if we drafted better. Below is my redo of the Chiefs draft. I have taken into account all trades. I have assumed that all players we originally drafted would be there no matter my changes.

Round 1, pick 5 - Ryan Clady, LT (originally Glenn Dorsey, DT)
Rd 1, pk 15 - Brendan Albert, RG (same)
Rd 2, pk 4 - Brandan Flowers, CB (same)
Rd 3, pk 10 - Jeremy Zuttah, RT (originally Jamaal Charles, RB)
Rd 3, pk 13 - Mario Manningham, WR (originally Brad Cottam, TE)
Rd 3, pk 19 - Steve Slaton, RB (originally DuJuan Morgan, S)
Rd 4, pk 6 - Cody Wallace, C (originally Will Franklin, WR)
Rd 5, pk 5 - Brandon Carr, CB (same)
Rd 6, pk 4 - Geno Hayes, LB (originally Barry Richardson, RT)
Rd 6, pk 16 - Colt Brennan, QB (originally Kevin Robinson, WR)
Rd 7, pk 3 - Brian Johnston, DE (same)
Rd 7, pk 32 - Chis Horton, S (originally Mike Merritt, FB)

What do you think? Yes, there's a lot of armchair redoing, but they're the picks I wanted for the first three rounds at least at the time. For the rest, I went with what were obviously our needs that were not addressed in the draft. I didn't like Johnston still, but I won't pretend I knew of better DEs that low.

Round 1, pick 5 - Ryan Clady, LT (originally Glenn Dorsey, DT)
Rd 2, pk 4 - Brandan Flowers, CB (same)
Rd 3, pk 10 - Jeremy Zuttah, RT (originally Jamaal Charles, RB)
Rd 4, pk 6 - Cody Wallace, C (originally Will Franklin, WR)
Rd 5, pk 5 - Brandon Carr, CB (same)

That's as far as I need to go.

Oh, and the missing picks? There is no way possible that I trade away Jared Allen.

So my starting line-up looks like this...

OFFENSE

QB, Brodie Croyle (He would look a whole lot better if we hadn't made the commitment to end his career.)

HB, LJ (Only because I am not going to go back another year to do this.)

FB, Boomer Grigsby (He was doing just fine.)

WR #1, D-Bowe

WR #2, Dante Hall

TE, Gonzo

LT, Ryan Clady

RT, Zuttah/McIntosh

LG, Brian Waters

RG, Alan Faneca (Plenty of money to spend. So I am spending some.)

C, Niswanger/Wallace

DEFENSE

DT, Tank Tyler

DT, Alphonso Boone

RDE, Jared Allen

LDE, Tamba Hali (It was working for Tamba, when JA was on the other side.)

LOLB, Derrick Johnson

MLB, Napoleon Harris (Though I prefer to still have Kawika Mitchell, the guy played just fine.)

ROLB, Donnie Edwards (He'd do for another season, while I place OLB on my '09 to-do list.)

CB, Patrick Surtain

CB, Flowers

FS, Page

SS, Pollard

SPECIAL TEAMS

K, Lawrence Tynes

P, Dustin Colquitt

But Herm has still left me with plenty of work to do in '09.

But, let me go back just one more season, and IT'S ON!!!

Not enough time right now. I can't even remember all of the FAs that were available.

[jerhart]

QB, Brodie Croyle (He would look a whole lot better if we hadn't made the commitment to end his career.)



[/LEFT]

I never ever want to see Brodie under center again...no matter what you say...I will respond with..."he is too fragile"

...I dont care if our O-line sucks...the Thig has been able to make it thru the past few games without gettin hurt. Yes we are running the spread...but still...Brodie showed nothing promising for the future when he was under center.

[balto]

Ya thsi is FUN but there is NO WAY I mean NO WAY in hell that if we would of took Clady with our first pick teh Broncos would not of taken Albert (are you kidding me)

If we woudl of took Clady Albert would be picked up by teh Broncos at 12 (where Clady was taken). Then who would we of drafted?

Another LT? at 15 NOW WAY!!!! you do not draft a RT with your 15th pick thats stupid!!!! I can see drafting Albert for GUARD, but teh other top LT's on the board at 15 are NOT guards and would be a RT since we took Clady with our first pick.

I agree I like to do What if drafts and mock drafts for the future, but please make some sense, after the screw up with our second pick with your draft teh rest of teh draft would be different if Alberts wasn't on teh board AND HE WOULD NOT BE.

So you tell me,

Dorsey/Albert

or

Clady/RT

Dorsey is looking better and better and will be a beast once he gets soem reps and a Crazy new DE.

NOW since this is a What if knowing what we know now draft. I might be up for taking Flacco/Brohm/Matt Forte

Liek I said I don't be to be a dick, but you have to relize Albert coudl of gone higher then he did AND no way he gets past Denver if we draft Clady first.

[jmlamerson]

Ya thsi is FUN but there is NO WAY I mean NO WAY in hell that if we would of took Clady with our first pick teh Broncos would not of taken Albert (are you kidding me)

If we woudl of took Clady Albert would be picked up by teh Broncos at 12 (where Clady was taken). Then who would we of drafted?

Another LT? at 15 NOW WAY!!!! you do not draft a RT with your 15th pick thats stupid!!!! I can see drafting Albert for GUARD, but teh other top LT's on the board at 15 are NOT guards and would be a RT since we took Clady with our first pick.

I agree I like to do What if drafts and mock drafts for the future, but please make some sense, after the screw up with our second pick with your draft teh rest of teh draft would be different if Alberts wasn't on teh board AND HE WOULD NOT BE.

So you tell me,

Dorsey/Albert

or

Clady/RT

Dorsey is looking better and better and will be a beast once he gets soem reps and a Crazy new DE.

NOW since this is a What if knowing what we know now draft. I might be up for taking Flacco/Brohm/Matt Forte

Liek I said I don't be to be a dick, but you have to relize Albert coudl of gone higher then he did AND no way he gets past Denver if we draft Clady first.

And I don't mean to be a dick, but I can't understand a word you wrote. Try putting your words in the correct order.

I think you're saying that the Broncos would have taken Albert at 12, and we couldn't have gotten him at 15. Yoiu forget that our not taking Dorsey screws up the picks after us. Assuming Davis takes McFadden still, the Saints prbably take Dorsey. That leaves Ellis freefalling to 12. Are you telling me the Broncos aren't taking Ellis or Mayo (if the Pats take Ellis) over Albert?

Our team valued Albert much higher than anyone else in the NFL, to the extent that we'd probably have taken him at 5 if not for the JA trade, assuming no one would have traded down with us.

Anyway, you can't possibly know what would would happen. That's why I assumed everyone would still be there.

And yes, I'd rather have bookend tackles than Dorsey, who's the next Ryan Sims. I'm sure he'll be successful on the next team he goes to.

[balto]

Ya sorry about the last post (was in a hurry to get to a meeting)

I have to disagree about Denver taking ANYONE over teh best LT on the board.

In 2007 Denver drafted TWO DE's with there 1st and 2nd round picks, no way they go that way again. They also took a DT in the 4th.

Also if you look at what Denver took with 2008's draft you will see what I mean.

1st round= LT
2nd round= WR
3rd round= had no picks
4th round= C
4th round= CB
5th round= RB
5th round= DT
6th round= LB
7th round= S
7th round= FB

I remember looking at mocks last year and everyone knew that Denver was going to take a LT no matter what, and Albert would of been the best on the board

[balto]

OR lets say Denver takes Chris Williams(drafted at 14th by the Bears). Who do you think the Bears would of taken?????????? Correct Alberts!!!!!!!!!!!