I'm Sick of it

[drstandley31]

So sick of starting my week this way. Every week.

[Three7s]

Well, I basically posted this on another thread, but would I be able to get you to agree that the players beow are not NFL caliber players at the following positions, and that upgrading them hould be our number one priority?

C
RG
RT
LDE
RDE
2DT
MLB
ROLB
FS
KR/PR

Would I be able to get everyone to agree that right now, we have serious questions as to whether these starters will be successful next year as to the following additional posiitons?

TE (Tony G. will demand trade or retire, and Cottam is unknown)
LG (Waters will probably retire)
RB (LJ is a discipline and suspension problem, and Charles doesn't have what it takes to be an every down back)
1DT (Dorsey looks completely lost)
SS (Pollard is getting slaughtered out there - we need a new scheme or a new SS)

Who does that leave?

QB (I like Thigpen as a starter next year at least)
1WR (Bowe is a stud)
2WR (Bradley is doing really well)
LT (Albert is looking good, and would start at some position - RG or LT - on most lines)
FB (Cox is playing fine)
ROLB (DJ is fine)
1CB (I have questions still, but I'll wait until he's healthy for a season)
2CB (Carr looks like fine at this spot)
P (though colquitt needs to get healthy)
K (Barth is fine)

That's the unvarnsihed situation. You may agree or diasagree as to a couple of these (I know people like Pollard, and think the jury's out on Tank and Dorsey), but I think this is an accurate representation as to the status of the team.

We have 10 worthy starters although that includes K, P, and FB. Of those 7 (not including K, FB, or P), only Bowe and maybe Albert can be said to be in the top 20 at their position. That leaves us 5 question marks, and 10 who need badly to go.

In other words, we need talent, badly.

I'm very close to throwing Hali under the bus, some already have, I know. I don't like Tank very much, so I'm with you there, but I just don't think it's fair to Dorsey to completely justify him after his rookie season, I think he'll get better and will naturally upgrade itself.

As for immediate upgrade, that's obviously DE and MLB, those are absolute must areas. I can live with just one DE acquisition for now, but if we can get two, then great. We may have our FS in Morgan, but he never plays, may as well give him a shot for the rest of the season.

[jmlamerson]

I'm very close to throwing Hali under the bus, some already have, I know. I don't like Tank very much, so I'm with you there, but I just don't think it's fair to Dorsey to completely justify him after his rookie season, I think he'll get better and will naturally upgrade itself.

As for immediate upgrade, that's obviously DE and MLB, those are absolute must areas. I can live with just one DE acquisition for now, but if we can get two, then great. We may have our FS in Morgan, but he never plays, may as well give him a shot for the rest of the season.

So, I think we agree about most. And if so, would you agree that our talent level is far below the rosy estimates of most people? We have big questions at the majority of positions right now.

However, we do disagree about Morgan. Morgan is too slow and too bad at coverage to play FS, especially in the Cover 2 - he's a natural SS. I know what you're thinking, why did we draft a backup SS in the 3rd round behind the 23-year-old Pollard when we badly needed OL? That is a very good question.

I didn't say Dorsey was bad - just that he's a question mark. He may turn out better, but he's a revolving door right now. And even 1st year DTs usually do better than him. He only has tackles because people keep running right at him because he's a sieve right now. I mean, we could plug any undrafted rookie in his spot right now and get the same production.

Tank, Turk, and Hali all need to be replaced as starters.

[Three7s]

So, I think we agree about most. And if so, would you agree that our talent level is far below the rosy estimates of most people? We have big questions at the majority of positions right now.

However, we do disagree about Morgan. Morgan is too slow and too bad at coverage to play FS, especially in the Cover 2 - he's a natural SS. I know what you're thinking, why did we draft a backup SS in the 3rd round behind the 23-year-old Pollard when we badly needed OL? That is a very good question.

I didn't say Dorsey was bad - just that he's a question mark. He may turn out better, but he's a revolving door right now. And even 1st year DTs usually do better than him. He only has tackles because people keep running right at him because he's a sieve right now. I mean, we could plug any undrafted rookie in his spot right now and get the same production.

Tank, Turk, and Hali all need to be replaced as starters.

As for the FS thing, the main reason I haven't liked Page for awhile is that he can't tackle or deliver a blow when needed. His coverage seems decent, but he does get burned at times. He does have a knack for making some picks. If I could get a better tackling Page, then I'd be satisfied.

[jmlamerson]

As for the FS thing, the main reason I haven't liked Page for awhile is that he can't tackle or deliver a blow when needed. His coverage seems decent, but he does get burned at times. He does have a knack for making some picks. If I could get a better tackling Page, then I'd be satisfied.

Page gets about three INTs a year. That isn't terrible, but it isn't enough to justify his starting position, especially since he can't tackle or cover the long ball. I still have nightmares of him v. Roddy White in ATL.

Let's just pick up a FS in FA. Someone better than Jon McGraw if possible.

[Bike]

As for the FS thing, the main reason I haven't liked Page for awhile is that he can't tackle or deliver a blow when needed. His coverage seems decent, but he does get burned at times. He does have a knack for making some picks. If I could get a better tackling Page, then I'd be satisfied.

Forgive me for butting in on your debate, but better tackling is needed on the entire defense. 54 points.
Last in the league in every category.
Why hasn't somebody done something??
Why wait for even one more loss to flush this entire gm/coaching staff?

[Three7s]

Forgive me for butting in on your debate, but better tackling is needed on the entire defense. 54 points.
Last in the league in every category.
Why hasn't somebody done something??
Why wait for even one more loss to flush this entire gm/coaching staff?

If I were the head-honcho, Gunther would be out of here first thing in the morning.

[Bike]

If I were the head-honcho, Gunther would be out of here first thing in the morning.

If I were the head-honcho, Cowher would be the one kickin' his a$$ out the door...

[jmlamerson]

If I were the head-honcho, Gunther would be out of here first thing in the morning.

Me too. I don't know if the past three years have been fair for him, given the HCs idiotic Cover 2 scheme, trading his best player (JA), not getting him veteran help, etc., but we need someone new, if only as a wakeup call to the players and fans.