Chiefs 2009 salary cap figures
Not including rookie contracts for those rookies coming in from the 2009 draft, these players have contracts with the Chiefs NEXT season. If the trend continues, the estimated salary cap for 2009 is $121.8 million. These salary cap figures are based on the contracts that they sign. They are not factored in with their "Cap Hit." Usually, a player's "Cap Hit" is larger than their salary number.
Albert, Branden- 493,750
Barth, Connor- 385k
Battle, Jackie- 460k
Boone, Alfonso- 1.4mil
Bowe, Dwayne- 460k
Bradley, Mark- 620k
Carnahan, Andrew- 385k
Charles, Jamaal- 385k
Colclough, Ricardo- 620k
Colquitt, Dustin- 900k
Cottam, Brad- 385k
Croyle, Brodie- 530K
Darche, Jean-Philippe- 745k
Darling, Devard- 1mil
Dorsey, Glenn- 385k
Edwards, Donnie- 5mil
Edwards, Ron- 1.5mil
Gonzalez, Tony- 4mil
Macklin, David- 745k
Waters, Brian- 3.6mil
Total committed salary for the 2009 season is:
Not including the "cap hit" figures and signing bonuses for rookies, the Chiefs will have somewhere around $65 million in cap room to play with. The bargaining agreement requires teams to spend AT LEAST 86% of their salary cap. That figure comes out to be roughly $99.76 million if the cap est. is correct. "Cap Hit" numbers and signing bonuses with eat up a big portion of the $40 million the Chiefs have to spend, but that still leaves a big number for the Chiefs to make up just to get in compliance with the NFL/NFLPA agreement.
Some names the Chiefs will have to look at just from their own crop of free agents, will be:
Jason Babin- Starting DE
Rocky Boiman- Starting LB
Adrian Jones- Backup OG
Jon McGraw- Backup S
Rudy Niswanger- Starting C
Jarrad Page- Starting S
Pat Thomas- Backup LB
Jeff Webb- WR
Just from that list, you're looking at having to either re-sign or replace 4 or 5 starters to go along with the holes we already have.
Let's say we let all our free agents walk. What are we left with?
ROLB- D. Johnson
That leaves us with potentially 4 holes on defense and 3 holes on offense if we go with Thigpen. 7 holes to fill with either the guys we have, free agents or the 2009 draft class.
To recap, we'll have roughly $25-35 million in cap space. We're going to be drafting in the top 5 in April. We will have a new GM. We will have 7 holes to fill.
On offense, we're going to need a:
On defense, we're going to need a:
You are the new GM. Go have fun.
1. I had McIntosh on the wrong list. I knew about his awful contract and I forgot to take him off. He should have been on the keep until contract expires list. My bad.
Originally Posted by texaschief
2. Surtain's hit is only $6M.
LJ - $13M
Surtain - $6M
Williams - $4M
Huard - $1M
Darling - $1M
Rest - $1M
Yeah, it's a terrible, terrible hit for next year. But we still have more than enough room to sign FAs and our rookies. And we'll be free and clear from these awful contracts in 2010. We can then extend any rookies worth extending.
We've signed some awful FAs in the past three years. Whether you want it or not, our next GM (assuming he's not a CP lackey) will probably do as I suggested above and clear house. Hopefully our next GM and HC are better talent evaluators than our current ones.
I'm in favor of signing large FA contracts to good FAs. Guys under 30 with a history of success. Haynesworth can't be refranchised (per his contract) and is worth a look. Asomugha will probably not be refranchised and is worth a look. Gross is worth a look. Dansby is worth a look. Houshmenzadah is worth a look. Suggs is worth a look. These aren't two to three year fixes like Law or Green. Guys like this can be building blocks of our franchise for the next decade.
And you're nuts if you think Champ Bailey, Chris McCallister, Asante Samuel, Ty Law, and Rasheen Mathis are better than Asomugha. Bailey is the most overrated CB of all time. He is consistently beat for big gains - he's a quiter version of DeAngelo Hall. Samuel and Law were great with the Pats. They were mediocre when elsewhere. McCallister is a great CB, but Baltimore players tend to do pretty poorly when off that defense. I'd want to see him on a truly awful team, like Asomugha on the Raiders. Mathis is a great CB, but not on Asomugha's level.
It isn't that I expect too much from rookies. I don't expect guys like Dorsey, Tank, and McBride to be pro bowlers right now. Guys like Kevin Williams, Warren Sapp, Wilfork, and Albert Haynesworth are few and far between. But Wilfork's, Williams', Sapp's, and Haynesworth's defenses were never at the bottom of the league against the run.
Have you ever noticed that very, very few OL and DL rookies make the pro bowl? That's because the pro bowl is a popularity contest, and it takes a while for non-skill players to get known, not because there's such a massive learning curve.
Dorsey is playing right now no better than any 7th rounder. Tank and Turk are playing worse. They are getting blown off the line every down. Can they get better? Maybe. Will they get better? Who knows? They are not the impact players that the current administration said they were. Maybe this whole experience has taught us the stupidity of drafting DTs too high, and counting on first to third year players to man a DL.
2nd through 7th rounders don't have large signing bonuses. Our 1st rounder will, which is why we should avoid a project player like Bradford or an undersized DE like Orkapo or Johnson.
Originally Posted by texaschief
This team can and, if we hire a good GM, will be rebuilt using a misture of draft and FA. Once we have a presentable product on the field, we should use the draft to keep our team replenished as opposed to large forays into free agency. Teams like the Giants, Colts, Pats, and Steelers used free agency to rebuild their teams and then used the draft to stay on top.
Herm and Carl tried to bypass that first step, and it has massively backfired.
How, exactly, am I dumping our rebuilding project by cutting our overpriced FAs, bring in younger FAs at key positions, and drafting better? What do you think rebuilding actually is? Believe it or not, rebuilding isn't stripping your team of all talent and trying to rebuild it with draft picks and undrafted guys.
Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek
The core players who make up the identity of the team are on the wrong side of thirty (LJ, Gonzo, and Waters). We have decent to good young players in Thigpen, Albert, Bowe, Bradley, DJ, Flowers, Carr, and Leggett. We have project players in Cottam, Charles, Robinson, and Dorsey. Am I wrong that we need new starters at the eleven positions I stated? Do you want to go into next season with Jones, McIntosh, Hali, Tank, Boone, Boiman, Niswanger, etc. as our starters?
Do you think rebuilding is holding onto a malcontent RB on the wrong side of 30 who's an infraction away from a year long suspension? Or Surtain, DeMorrio Williams, Donnie Edwards, Devard Darling, Damon Huard, Page, and Webb? Are any of these guys part of the Chiefs long term future?
Right now, on our team, the only players that we drafted who are of any use are Carr, Flowers, Pollard, Bowe, and Albert. We have mostly terrible starters on our OL and front seven, which are the most crucial positions on a team after QB. Chan Gailey has turned lead into gold on offense and made up for our OL weaknesses by running the spread. Our defense is getting torched by every decent QB who tries because we can't get a pass rush.
How, exactly, does what I'm suggesting (cutting old, overpriced, useless players, drafting well, and signing good young players) differ from how good teams are built? Why don't you think about it for a while before mouthing off again.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Even though texaschief is wrong about most things, at least he knows something about football. You apparently don't.
I never said that you were stupid, just that you don't know much about football. You keep throwing insults around, not me. I just posted what I thought should be done with the Chiefs - you're the one who responded with insults. Do you really expect people to take abuse from the likes of you?
Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek
It is very possible to cut the bad players we have, sign good players, and draft well. Either you don't understand what I am saying, or you are ignoring it.
We're not shelling out an additional $29.3M - it would be dead cap space for bonuses already paid out. This isn't the NBA. We save actual money because we don't have to pay the salaries of these deadbeats next year. All cutting these players does is redice our cap flexibility in signing FAs and rookies. And since we are going to be so massively under the cap in 2009, especially with the cuts, it will not matter unless were are trying to sign a massive number of FAs and we somehow get the top three picks of the draft.
I don't want to have $29.3M of dead cap space in 2009, but those players we could cut have no value to our team. LJ is a clubhouse cancer. Huard is washed up. Croyle can't stay healthy. Surtain, Darling, Williams, and Edwards are a waste of roster space.
If we keep these players, we're paying tens of millions of dollars in salaries that we should not pay. As we have the cap flexibility to take the cap hit in 2009, we should do that instead of paying the salaries.
Now that you know how the salary cap works and the impact of cutting these players, does it finally make sense?
Last edited by Big Daddy Tek; 12-18-2008 at 06:50 PM.
I agree with TexasChief that this thread has gotten out of hand. However, a few things need to be cleared up. First of all, more than likely there will be cuts. I know it is crazy to waste millions of dollars, but with a new GM and potentially a new head coach, the team will take another transformation. Now, you say the team won't do such a thing because it would cost millions. Well, if we have so much cap room, then this would be the best time to lose those players. Let's look at LJ. You said he signed a deal worth nearly 50 million. So you would rather keep the player who is no longer playing at a high level and pay him the entire contract instead of cutting him and only paying him a portion of the contract? The signing bonus is the only guaranteed money. So even though it's 19 million or whatever, you take the hit so you can have that freedom the season after that.
Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek
Now, I don't think JM has all the answers since he does not give enough credit to the players we already have. However, players like Surtain, LJ, and MacIntosh will probably be gone after season. You have to see that this could possibly happen, and it won't be the end of the franchise.