Chiefs 2009 salary cap figures
Not including rookie contracts for those rookies coming in from the 2009 draft, these players have contracts with the Chiefs NEXT season. If the trend continues, the estimated salary cap for 2009 is $121.8 million. These salary cap figures are based on the contracts that they sign. They are not factored in with their "Cap Hit." Usually, a player's "Cap Hit" is larger than their salary number.
Albert, Branden- 493,750
Barth, Connor- 385k
Battle, Jackie- 460k
Boone, Alfonso- 1.4mil
Bowe, Dwayne- 460k
Bradley, Mark- 620k
Carnahan, Andrew- 385k
Charles, Jamaal- 385k
Colclough, Ricardo- 620k
Colquitt, Dustin- 900k
Cottam, Brad- 385k
Croyle, Brodie- 530K
Darche, Jean-Philippe- 745k
Darling, Devard- 1mil
Dorsey, Glenn- 385k
Edwards, Donnie- 5mil
Edwards, Ron- 1.5mil
Gonzalez, Tony- 4mil
Macklin, David- 745k
Waters, Brian- 3.6mil
Total committed salary for the 2009 season is:
Not including the "cap hit" figures and signing bonuses for rookies, the Chiefs will have somewhere around $65 million in cap room to play with. The bargaining agreement requires teams to spend AT LEAST 86% of their salary cap. That figure comes out to be roughly $99.76 million if the cap est. is correct. "Cap Hit" numbers and signing bonuses with eat up a big portion of the $40 million the Chiefs have to spend, but that still leaves a big number for the Chiefs to make up just to get in compliance with the NFL/NFLPA agreement.
Some names the Chiefs will have to look at just from their own crop of free agents, will be:
Jason Babin- Starting DE
Rocky Boiman- Starting LB
Adrian Jones- Backup OG
Jon McGraw- Backup S
Rudy Niswanger- Starting C
Jarrad Page- Starting S
Pat Thomas- Backup LB
Jeff Webb- WR
Just from that list, you're looking at having to either re-sign or replace 4 or 5 starters to go along with the holes we already have.
Let's say we let all our free agents walk. What are we left with?
ROLB- D. Johnson
That leaves us with potentially 4 holes on defense and 3 holes on offense if we go with Thigpen. 7 holes to fill with either the guys we have, free agents or the 2009 draft class.
To recap, we'll have roughly $25-35 million in cap space. We're going to be drafting in the top 5 in April. We will have a new GM. We will have 7 holes to fill.
On offense, we're going to need a:
On defense, we're going to need a:
You are the new GM. Go have fun.
I don't want a QB controversy next year and I just don't see Croyle's value. He can't stay healthy through a single game anymore. Surely keeping Thigpen and Gray, along with drafting a QB low is enough that the Brodie Croyle experiment can finally be put out of its misery.
Originally Posted by jap1
I see everyone's arguments with LJ. And there isn't a good answer. We won't get value for him - even if a GM decides to trade for him, we're only getting a low pick. If we keep him, we have clubhouse and possible suspension problems. If we cut him, we're cutting a RB with gas left in the tank, no replcement, and have a cap hit. There isn't a good solution to this problem.
I like Flowers, Leggett, and (especially) Carr. I just think Asomugha is the greatest CB of this era, and we're one of the few teams that will have the cap room to make him a good enough offer. Given the number of three-WR sets in the NFL now, moving Carr to the slot, and keeping Leggett as a reserve DB/special teams player isn't a terrible idea.
I agree with you wholeheartedly regarding the defense. I've seen enough of Pollard this year to realize that it's the scheme, more than his talent, that's holding him back. I don't like Page though. I think we can do better in the draft or in FA.
Albert at T is fine by me. I just had visions of an immense OL (1999-2003 style) of Oher/Albert/Mack/Waters/Gross that could dominate the league. If that doesn't come to pass (which it probably won't), I'm fine keeping Albert at RT.
I agree with your priorities and analysis. I don't think Maualuga lasts past the seven to eight spot, so we can't trade down that much and still get him. I think he'll be defensive rookie of the year next year, anfd can anchor our defense for the next decade.
Originally Posted by jap1
We are going to have over $50M of cap room if we do my cuts. About $20M will be eaten up with dead cap space from cutting LJ, Surtain, Edwards, etc. (remember, cap hits are prorated and Edwards, Surtain, etc. are near the end of their contracts - only LJ and Williams would be sizable cap hits). We have no one we need to extend this year (unless we really want to reward Page for all of his work), and that $20M in dead cap will be off the books after 2009. Given our immense cap room, we can cut all of the overpriced deadwood and still sign our rookie class, some top FAs, and extend who ever you think is worth extending. Who, by the way, needs extending this offseason? Niswanger, Babin, Thigpen, DJ, and Bradley, maybe. That's it. None of those is exactly going to break the bank.
Originally Posted by texaschief
I listed seventeen players (I think) who I thought should be part of our long term plans. I listed another 15 or so who we should let go after they hit FA. I listed another 10 or so I didn't know or care about. That leaves about 15 I said we should cut or let leave in FA this year. With the exception of LJ, these are all players who have no trade value and who are not producing at a pro level.
The team isn't entirely busts, but we've busted in the draft much more often than not during Herm's tenure. The players we have worth keeping are almost entirely free agents, undrafted guys, or pre-Herm guys. I'll go through the entire analysis again if you need it, but we have five guys from Herm's draft who are useful to our team right now (Carr, Flowers, Pollard, Bowe, and Albert). We have another three who show some promise but aren't convincing as starters yet (Cottam, Charles, and Robinson). We have one for whom its too to early to say "bust," but who is playing way below his draft hype (Dorsey). That's it. We have had three pretty awful drafts under Herm, and the next GM will have an awful jobs filling the massive holes Herm's left on this team.
Name a better CB than Asomugha from this decade.
Look, you clearly don't understand how a salary cap works. You clearly overestimate talent if you think Brodie Croyle still has any value to a NFL franchise. You were massively wrong about how Herm's team would perform this year. You don't know what you are talking about.
Last edited by jmlamerson; 12-17-2008 at 04:26 PM.
You dont know who I am or what i do. If you did, you would be very surprised how much I know. but thats irrelevant little guy. "Our cap penalty isnt that much cutting those guys"? Hold on a second, can you proof read that and make sure that I didnt jumble your quote. Oh, that is what you said? Good, because if you knew anything, you would know that the Chiefs justed wasted 19 MILLION DOLLARS in GUARANTEED money to LJ if they just release him, not to mention that this was his first year in a long term contract worth nearly 50 million. So yeah, little buckaroo, the cap hit on this would be in record proportion. This isnt the Madden video game pal. By the way Lil' Carl, the strongest position on this team for now and the future is at cornerback. You want to make a major trade to the Raiders for Namdi? And then fill the holes for the great players that we had to get rid of, to get him. Like we dont have enough holes. Well atleast we will have 4 good cornerbacks huh? Its really evident that you just started watching the Chiefs this year and didnt go through the transition with us in the off season. If you did then you would know where we are at as a franchise. We didnt make any moves in the offseason last year and played with a bunch of rookies and sophmores so that when the foundation comes together, which it has, we can go out THIS OFFSEASON and build the house with huge cap room. Thats how pro football works. Like I said in my last post, that made you so sad... Dont worry, you'll get it one day lil' buddy.
Originally Posted by jmlamerson
Anybody know if there will be any big name guards available in FA this offseason?
Also, a lot of people think we need a new FS. Im not sure there is anyone available in FA or the draft other than the USC kid (Mays?) who will probably go in the 1st. For those reasons I think we should keep Page and focus on other problems. I still think if we get some pressure on the QB and a few sacks, then the entire secondary will look ten times better.
So, with $43 million in cap penalties and probably only $116 million in total alloted salary space, who are we going to sign this year as a free agent? Don't forget their cap numbers as well while you're rackin up the bill.
Also don't forget that you have 11 starters needed between rookies (who will have large signing bonuses) and free agents.
How is this a step in the right direction again?