President Vermeil?

[Fin Fan In Cali]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...ident-vermeil/

There’s a strong rumor making the rounds in league circles that former Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil could return as team president following the departure of long-time G.M., president, and COEO Carl Peterson.

[jtandcrew]

For the love of all that is holy! I hope not! Cowher for GM/HC! btw.....Marty is already in town! The buzzards are already hovering! also, how a bout Holmegren when he gets fired?!

[hardcorechiefsfan]

He didn't really do anything with the team, I hope not.

[okikcfan]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...ident-vermeil/

There’s a strong rumor making the rounds in league circles that former Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil could return as team president following the departure of long-time G.M., president, and COEO Carl Peterson.

Ahhhh, NO

[Three7s]

This would be an absolutely HORRIBLE move. Vermeil is one of the reasons that we got into such a bad shape. His coaching skills are among the best, but he simply doesn't know how to build a defense at all, and is awful at managing a draft.

[jmlamerson]

This would be an absolutely HORRIBLE move. Vermeil is one of the reasons that we got into such a bad shape. His coaching skills are among the best, but he simply doesn't know how to build a defense at all, and is awful at managing a draft.

I agree. Vermeil is a nice guy and a great coach, but he is not management material. We need a ruthless drill seargant in our front office. Vermiel drafted better than Herm, but that isn't saying a lot. I don't trust him to put talent on both sides of the field.

[tornadospotter]

This would be an absolutely HORRIBLE move. Vermeil is one of the reasons that we got into such a bad shape. His coaching skills are among the best, but he simply doesn't know how to build a defense at all, and is awful at managing a draft.

:iagree:

I agree. Vermeil is a nice guy and a great coach, but he is not management material. We need a ruthless drill seargant in our front office. Vermiel drafted better than Herm, but that isn't saying a lot. I don't trust him to put talent on both sides of the field.

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[chief31]

I'll take him. Noone would ever accuse that guy of not caring. :)

[jap1]

I agree. Vermeil is a nice guy and a great coach, but he is not management material. We need a ruthless drill seargant in our front office. Vermiel drafted better than Herm, but that isn't saying a lot. I don't trust him to put talent on both sides of the field.

A comparison. An asterisk means they are still in the league. A pound (#) sign means they are/were considered good players at some point. A $ sign means they are still on the Chiefs.

Vermeil: 2001-2005
2001:
Eric Downing (DT)
Snoop Minnis (WR)
Monty Beisel (LB) *
George Layne (RB)
Billy Baber (TE)
Derrick Blaylock (RB)
Alex Sulfsted (T)
Shaunard Harts (DB)
Tedrell Sands (DT)

2002:
Ryan Sims (DT) *
Eddie Freeman (DT)
Omar Easy (RB)
Scott Fujita (LB) */#
Maurice Rodriguez (no position listed on NFL.com, never played in a game)

2003:
Larry Johnson (RB) */#/$
Kawika Mitchell (LB) */#
Julian Battle (CB)
Brett Williams (T)
Jordan Black (G)
Jimmy Wilkerson (DE) *
Montique Sharpe (DT)
Willie Pile (DB)

2004:
Junior Siavii (DT)
Kris Wilson (TE) *
Travelle Wharton (G)
Keyaron Fox (LB) *
Samie Parker (WR)
Jared Allen (DE) */#
Jeris McIntyre (WR)
Kevin Sampson (T)

2005:
Derrick Johnson (OLB) */#/$
Dustin Colquitt (P) */#/$
Craphonso Thorpe (WR)
Boomer Grigsby (LB) *
Alphonso Hodge (WR)
Will Svitek (T)
Khari Long (DE)
James Kilian (?)
Jeremy Parquet (T) *

Total Picks: 39
Still in the league: 13
Good Players: 6
Still on Chiefs: 3
Percentage of Good Players: 15.38%

Herm Edwards Era:

2006:
Tamba Hali (DE) */$
Bernard Pollard (DB) */$
Brodie Croyle (QB) */$
Marcus Maxey (CB)
Tre Stallings (G)
Jeff Webb (WR) */$
Jarrad Page (DB) */$

2007
Dwayne Bowe (WR) */#/$
Turk McBride (DE) */$
Tank Tyler (DT) */$
Kolby Smith (RB) */$
Justin Medlock (K)
Herb Taylor (T) */$
Michael Allan (TE)

2008
Glenn Dorsey (DT) */$
Branden Albert (T) */#/$
Brandon Flowers (CB) */#/$
Jamaal Charles (RB) */$
Brad Cottam (TE) */$
DaJuan Morgan (S) */$
William Franklin (WR) */$
Brandon Carr (CB) */#/$
Barry Richardson (T) */$
Kevin Robinson (WR) */$
Brian Johnston (DE) */$
Mike Merritt (TE) */$

Total Picks: 26
Good Picks: 4
Percentage of Good Players: 15.38%

Time will tell on Herm's success rate. I think the fact that they have the same success rate, and one of Herm's class is still in their rookie year says something. Granted Peterson of course had a lot of negative effect. But also consider the fact that Vermeil traded away a lot of draft picks for veterans at or past their prime that lasted only one or two years.

You can interpret the statistics however you like. After all:
"Numbers are like people; torture them enough and they'll tell you anything."

[Big Daddy Tek]

A comparison. An asterisk means they are still in the league. A pound (#) sign means they are/were considered good players at some point. A $ sign means they are still on the Chiefs.

Vermeil: 2001-2005
2001:
Eric Downing (DT)
Snoop Minnis (WR)
Monty Beisel (LB) *
George Layne (RB)
Billy Baber (TE)
Derrick Blaylock (RB)
Alex Sulfsted (T)
Shaunard Harts (DB)
Tedrell Sands (DT)

2002:
Ryan Sims (DT) *
Eddie Freeman (DT)
Omar Easy (RB)
Scott Fujita (LB) */#
Maurice Rodriguez (no position listed on NFL.com, never played in a game)

2003:
Larry Johnson (RB) */#/$
Kawika Mitchell (LB) */#
Julian Battle (CB)
Brett Williams (T)
Jordan Black (G)
Jimmy Wilkerson (DE) *
Montique Sharpe (DT)
Willie Pile (DB)

2004:
Junior Siavii (DT)
Kris Wilson (TE) *
Travelle Wharton (G)
Keyaron Fox (LB) *
Samie Parker (WR)
Jared Allen (DE) */#
Jeris McIntyre (WR)
Kevin Sampson (T)

2005:
Derrick Johnson (OLB) */#/$
Dustin Colquitt (P) */#/$
Craphonso Thorpe (WR)
Boomer Grigsby (LB) *
Alphonso Hodge (WR)
Will Svitek (T)
Khari Long (DE)
James Kilian (?)
Jeremy Parquet (T) *

Total Picks: 39
Still in the league: 13
Good Players: 6
Still on Chiefs: 3
Percentage of Good Players: 15.38%

Herm Edwards Era:

2006:
Tamba Hali (DE) */$
Bernard Pollard (DB) */$
Brodie Croyle (QB) */$
Marcus Maxey (CB)
Tre Stallings (G)
Jeff Webb (WR) */$
Jarrad Page (DB) */$

2007
Dwayne Bowe (WR) */#/$
Turk McBride (DE) */$
Tank Tyler (DT) */$
Kolby Smith (RB) */$
Justin Medlock (K)
Herb Taylor (T) */$
Michael Allan (TE)

2008
Glenn Dorsey (DT) */$
Branden Albert (T) */#/$
Brandon Flowers (CB) */#/$
Jamaal Charles (RB) */$
Brad Cottam (TE) */$
DaJuan Morgan (S) */$
William Franklin (WR) */$
Brandon Carr (CB) */#/$
Barry Richardson (T) */$
Kevin Robinson (WR) */$
Brian Johnston (DE) */$
Mike Merritt (TE) */$

Total Picks: 26
Good Picks: 4
Percentage of Good Players: 15.38%

Time will tell on Herm's success rate. I think the fact that they have the same success rate, and one of Herm's class is still in their rookie year says something. Granted Peterson of course had a lot of negative effect. But also consider the fact that Vermeil traded away a lot of draft picks for veterans at or past their prime that lasted only one or two years.

You can interpret the statistics however you like. After all:
"Numbers are like people; torture them enough and they'll tell you anything."

Wow, great job on the research. That is pretty informative. Private message me, cause I think you might be able to help me with something if your willing.