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    What if the Chiefs bring in Rex Ryan as the new Head Coach and Romeo Crennel as the new defensive coordinator? I realize this team is being built around a 4-3 defensive concept, but when you actually look at our personnel, other than perhaps Glenn Dorsey and Tamba Hali, we don't have players who absolutely don't fit that scheme. The new corners could handle a 3-4 just as well as they do the 4-3. Same for the safeties for that matter. Although, nobody is sure those safeties are the future for this franchise anyway. That leaves Tank and DJ. Tank can at least rotate on a 3-4 defensive line. He's a big body. DJ could play in a 3-4 just as well as he could a 4-3.

    So, let's say we make the switch. We keep all DBs, Tank, and DJ.

    That gives us Dorsey and Hali as trade bait. From the Dorsey trade, I want a 1st and 2nd from the Raiders. From the Hali trade, I want a 2nd and 3rd from Buffalo. Then, we could trade LJ for a 2nd and 4th to the Cardinals and T. Gonz for a 2nd from the Packers. Let's say the Chiefs could then trade down with the 49ers who desperately want a QB at the #3 spot. We fall to #10 and pick up their 2nd, 3rd and 2010 2nd round picks.

    With draft picks:
    #7 (Raiders)
    #10 (49ers)
    -
    #35
    #40 (Raiders)
    #41 (Packers)
    #42 (Buffalo)
    #43 (49ers)
    #52 (Cardinals)
    -
    #67
    #75 (Buffalo
    -
    4
    4
    -
    5
    6
    7

    So, we have 15 picks in the 2009 draft including 2 1st rounders and 6 2nd round picks. We'll have 3 Dline spots, 3 LB spots, and two Oline spots to fill thru the draft and free agency.

    If we have Ryan as the head coach, our chances of getting Bart Scott and Terrell Suggs dramatically increase. Add Vilma and Nnamdi Asomugha to those two in free agency and now, we have only one LB and two D-line spots to fill.

    Then, in the draft we COULD take:
    #7 (Raiders) Trade pick and #75 to Browns for #5. Draft LB Aaron Curry (Wake Forest)
    #10 (49ers) DE Brian Orakpo (Texas)
    -
    #35 Trade pick and #109 to Colts for #28 Select NT Terrence Cody (Alabama)
    #40 (Raiders) WR Percy Harvin (Florida)
    #41 (Packers) DE George Selvie (South Florida)
    #42 (Buffalo) C Jonathan Luigs (Arkansas)
    #43 (49ers) OT Phil Loadholt (Oklahoma)
    #52 (Cardinals) NT B.J. Raji (Boston College)
    -
    #67 ILB Darry Beckwith (LSU)

    In the new 3-4 defense, the roster fills out like this:

    DE- Brian Orakpo/George Selvie
    NT- Terrence Cody
    DE- Terrell Suggs
    OLB- Derrick Johnson
    ILB- Jonathan Vilma
    ILB- Bart Scott
    OLB- Aaron Curry
    CB- Brandon Flowers
    FS- Jarrad Page/ DaJuan Morgan
    SS- Bernard Pollard
    CB- Nnamdi Asomugha

    The offense would be bolstered as well:

    LT- Branden Albert
    LG- Brian Waters
    C- Jonathan Luigs
    RG- Rudy Niswanger
    RT- Phil Loadholt
    TE- Brad Cottam
    WR-Dwayne Bowe
    WR-Percy Harvin
    WR-Mark Bradley
    RB-Jamaal Charles
    QB-Tyler Thigpen


    Before you rip me apart with the pure impossibility of all of this happening, look at each move individually.

    The Raiders almost took Dorsey last year and it isn't out of the question to think they'd still want him more than whoever will be there at #7. Asking for a first and 2nd for Dorsey isn't too much for the #5 pick overall last year. The difference in point value from #7 to #5 is 200. Then add a year of experience and he's worth an additional 2nd rounder that has a 400pt value.

    The Bills are going to be looking for some pass rush in the draft. Tamba Hali isn't a dominant pass rusher, but he's young, has a great motor and is at least worth a 2nd and 3rd.

    The Cardinals aren't getting consistent performance from Edgerin James and ranked dead last in rushing this season. They desperately need a consistent RB that they could count on for a 1000 yards. LJ is that back. A 2nd and 4th wouldn't be too much to ask for a premier back with a few good years left.

    The Packers wanted TGonz during the season and after watching him have another stellar year, might decide he's worth that 2nd round pick if they think he could put them over the top.

    The 49ers need a QB. They might be gun shy after the Alex Smith fiasco, but if Stafford falls to #3, they might get happy feet and jump up to get him if the Chiefs want to pass and offer the pick to 49ers.

    As far as the free agents go, the Ravens have Suggs, Scott, Lewis and Landry as free agents this year and can only use one franchise tag. If we sign their defensive coordinator to be our head coach, you have to think the Chiefs would have a good chance at getting Scott and Suggs.

    Vilma won't be re-signed and the Chiefs should sign this guy to complete their LB corp.

    Asomugha... probably won't happen. But hey, who knows.

    In conclusion, I don't think this defense is set in stone. Changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 isn't as crazy of a notion as some people might think. We already have a bunch of holes to fill and if we could get good value from Hali and Dorsey, completing that defense wouldn't be impossible.

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    Ya this is just crazy, but I love stuff like this hehe

    I was thinking (don't yell at me)

    Why not try Tamba Hali at one of the MLB spots?

    Tamba Hali is
    6'3 275 (ya ok he is heavy)

    but coming out of college he was 265 so he put on 10 pounds to be better at DE in the NFL. Tamba ran a 4.75 40 in college which look at MLB's like both Ray Lewis (4.8 40) and the new comer Rey Maualuga (projected 4.7 40)

    Both Ray and Rey are smaller then Tamba, but Tamba is just as fast!!!!!!

    I know its crazy but why not try him out?

    ALSO,
    Why Can't Dorsey play DE in a 3-4? In college he was a stud ONLY because he was allowed to go after the QB unlike what the Chiefs coaches have him doing now helmet to helmet with the guard trying to just take up space.

    Also,
    I think Suggs is too small to be a DE in a 3-4. IF we went to a 3-4 Suggs would play LB like he is now. AGAIN this points to letting Tamba play LB and proves Dorsey is the perfect size for a DE in a 3-4.

    SO we just draft Curry and make sure we sign Haynesworth in FA to be our NT.

    rest of our picks we focus on Oline

    LOL this is fun.

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    The plan would be nice, but seriously.. they have online trade-check "games" online to fulfill these elaborate schemes people seem to like coming up with. Yes the defense change would be great, and maybe the coaches too. I agree that a 3-4 would be better, but this is so drawn out.

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    We just drafted Dorsey with the 5th overall pick 1 season ago... why give up on him so soon? Dorsey is an explosive game changer who was used incorrectly last season as a read and react DT thus taking away what makes him a good player to begin with. Don't forget he was considered a steal at #5.

    Our defense is closer than you might think. I really think we're only a good pass rushing DE, run stopping LB, and a good coach away from being pretty good.

    Though I have to say I wouldn't mind Rex Ryan as head coach at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yashi View Post
    We just drafted Dorsey with the 5th overall pick 1 season ago... why give up on him so soon? Dorsey is an explosive game changer who was used incorrectly last season as a read and react DT thus taking away what makes him a good player to begin with. Don't forget he was considered a steal at #5.

    Our defense is closer than you might think. I really think we're only a good pass rushing DE, run stopping LB, and a good coach away from being pretty good.

    Though I have to say I wouldn't mind Rex Ryan as head coach at all...
    Outstanding post. As a matter of fact, if anybody tries to argue with you, we should personally meet them at their home address.


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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    My point was that outside Dorsey and Hali, we wouldn't really have to do too much more than we already have to. Since apparently Cunningham is already out, if there were every a year to backup and commit to a different defense, it would be this year. Hali wouldn't be the best DE in a 4-3 and Dorsey would be too small in a 3-4. I doubt he'd be able to pull off the NT position.
    If Dorsey couldnt pull off the NT position than Tank Tyler couldnt either. They are exactly the same size


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    Good thread and good reads guys.
    Thanks for all the yards, TDs, and memories, Priest!

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    if we moved to a 3-4, dorsey and hali would be DE's, and Tyler the NT (current roster).....haynesworth isnt a NT anyways, Tyler would be a fine NT i think...Dorsey BETTER be good from now on....i bought a friggin Dorsey jersey that moment we drafted him lol...

    i also agree with just a pass rusher and a mlb away from a SOLID defense..

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