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    Everyone is saying Herm is on his way out. I do find it interesting that Herm wasn't fired BEFORE Pioli signed, like all the rumors had Hunt doing. If Pioli DOES come in and fire Herm immediately, I'm going to be VERY interested to see how he justifies it. "6 wins in 2 years" just isn't a smart argument. Neither of the last two teams were built to win and Herm is the guy who pushed to dump all the old guys and start completely over... which is now what Hunt is trying to continue to do.

    This whole situation (if that's how it went down) is like sitting down with a salesman who convinces you that you should go one way instead of another and then after you've made your decision, you decided to grab another salesman to complete the sale so they could get the commission. It just doesn't make sense to me.

    This whole move just seems like Hunt is just trying to please the mob. After watching EVERY SINGLE person leave that organization and absolutely BOMB by themselves, I just don't understand why everyone is so excited about this guy. If he brought Belichick with him, then I'd be more excited about it. But seriously, who do y'all think is more responsible for their successes, Pioli, Belichick, or having a solid O-line and franchise QB that was built before Pioli got there?

    I REALLY hope Pioli does good for us. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and we're not just the next team to pluck an overrated part of Bellichick's staff like Savage, Weiss, McDaniel, Crennell, etc. I'm real curious why more people aren't worried about this. I've done my homework on Pioli and can't find exactly what he was responsible for during their great run this decade except that he was part of the team.

    Bellichick has total personnel control over that team and Pioli wasn't even the GM.

    The whole thing about this franchise and where they've been the past decade and where they're headed is that this franchise was decimated by poor drafting from 99 to 2005. The head coach always gets the majority of the blame for a team's failure and to a certain extent that's acceptable. But a successful team builds through the draft and doesn't trade away draft picks for older vets. For whatever reason, Peterson didn't like this concept and it ultimately led to the destruction of this team and his resignation.

    I thank Edwards for finally getting this franchise on the right path and opening ownership's eyes to the fact that the right way to build a franchise is the way we're doing it and that Peterson was a cancer to this team. Edwards was the first coach since Schottenheimer to build this team correctly. At this point in the franchise's history, a coaches ability to manage the clock isn't exactly high on the list of concerns. He has established a culture this past year for the Chiefs and unless Pioli and the next head coach believe in the same concept, the Chiefs are never going to establish a consistently great team.

    I will say though, that if you looked at the beginning of the Patriot dynasty, they did exactly what Edwards and Hunt want to do. They built the team through the draft and only recently started adding high priced free agents. So, that is encouraging. If Pioli fires Herm because he thinks he's bringing in a better talent who believes in the same concept as Edwards and Hunt do, then I'm all for it.

    My very first concern has been and always will be building this team the right way. My endorsement of Edwards stems from the lone fact that he's the first guy who's pushed to do things the right way since Marty. My allegiance is to the team and any personnel who pushes to build the franchise for the long-term through the draft. The only other reason I thought Edwards should be retained is the fact he's only been given one team in three years who could've conceivably competed for a playoff birth and firing him IMO just isn't fair. But in term of the franchise, as long as they bring in a head coach with the same philosophy, I really don't care one way or the other who the head coach is. Well, as long as its not Ferentz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    ok... but that doesn't mean you start trading draft picks or stop building the foundation of this franchise through the draft.
    What leads you to believe that isn't what Pioli's doing?

    Look at Dimitroff (former Pats personnel guy) in Atlanta. We're going to follow that exact template - draft well, trade our malcontents, and make useful FA signings of good young players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    No. But its true of anyone who thinks "6 wins in 2 seasons" is a smart and valid argument.

    IMO, Edwards did a great job during the first year of this rebuild. He was planning on spending money on free agents this year which is the right thing to do. I think being able to be competitive with a team primarily consisting of rookie to third year players which was starting a 7th string QB that had a horrible rash of injuries this season was successful. If he were allowed to add some key free agents and another draft class, like this next coach will, he'd do just as good, if not better this next season.


    ok... but that doesn't mean you start trading draft picks or stop building the foundation of this franchise through the draft.
    what makes you think he planned on bringing in free agents this year. he did not even have the ba##s to fire gunther.yeah herm did a ok job coaching vermeils team in his first year. he did the same with the jets his first year there.and if you can not tell the jets do not have a great group of young talent from herms drafts years ago.and fyi piolis teams have been drafted for the most part exclude moss seau and a few others.that is another thing about herm he would not know a good free agent signing even if it hit him in the face

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    these words are right out of bellichecks mouth


    To sum up in words everything Scott Pioli has meant to this organization and to me personally would be difficult, if not impossible," Belichick said in a statement. "From the day I met him, he has demonstrated a passion for football and respect for the game that is second to none.
    "It has been extremely gratifying for me to follow Scott's career ascension from the bottom of the totem pole in Cleveland to his place as a pillar of championship teams in New England. Now with the opportunity to steer his own ship and a vision of building a winner, there is no more capable, hardworking, loyal, team-oriented person than Scott Pioli."

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    I still think a lot of the patriots' succes stems from "Spy-Gate"

    Every ex-player said that is you could go into a game knowing how they will line up in given situations, that you're way ahead.

    I think that is why the pieces have struggled when they've left NE. Hopefully that doesn't apply in this case since we're talking about personnel, not game time coaching
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    Untill it is said and done by Clark or Pioli, I think Herm is still the head coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tornadospotter View Post
    Untill it is said and done by Clark or Pioli, I think Herm is still the head coach.
    i think it will be said and done this week i doubt pioli would trust his reputation with herm

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    Its gonna be hard for a new coach especially a new nfl coach if pioli goes for a college coach to take over a team of 2nd year players and finish herms job productively.It makes more sense to give herm one more year to finish what he started instead.Pioli is not coaching the team.If pioli gives this young team to a different coach and fail it will be his and clarks weight to carry.rookies and free agents dont save a team it takes planning also!football is a game of pieces and stategy and we need both.

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    We just need to wait and see. I do not know! That is for sure, but what ever the fall out is, I hope it does not set us back even one year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordchillz View Post
    Its gonna be hard for a new coach especially a new nfl coach if pioli goes for a college coach to take over a team of 2nd year players and finish herms job productively.It makes more sense to give herm one more year to finish what he started instead.Pioli is not coaching the team.If pioli gives this young team to a different coach and fail it will be his and clarks weight to carry.rookies and free agents dont save a team it takes planning also!football is a game of pieces and stategy and we need both.
    There is a flip side of that coin. Let's say he keeps Herm and the Chiefs win 8 games next year. Now it becomes hard to get rid of Herm. Herm's contract will be up and now he could be in a position to have t extend a contract for a coach that he doesn't believe in.

    I think the change has to be made now. Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher! Cowher!


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    If the chiefs were to have anything less than a playoff win, that would still warrant a coach firing in clarks and fans eyes.Pioli knows hes has great expectations placed on his choices.If he were to fail in his first year it would've been a bad career choice to come here and damage his reputation as a gm.As fans we've already hit bottom with our team and we do not want to see 2 or more years of developing players or rebuilding or any new name they give to terrible a season!Cower would be a moral booster but it could backfire becaude its nothis team and we end up with a joe gibbs type of team.With thigpen as QB it wouldn't be difficult to play cower/steeler type of football.The closest coach to our direction would be shanahan but thats far fetched I would think.

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