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    Everyone is saying Herm is on his way out. I do find it interesting that Herm wasn't fired BEFORE Pioli signed, like all the rumors had Hunt doing. If Pioli DOES come in and fire Herm immediately, I'm going to be VERY interested to see how he justifies it. "6 wins in 2 years" just isn't a smart argument. Neither of the last two teams were built to win and Herm is the guy who pushed to dump all the old guys and start completely over... which is now what Hunt is trying to continue to do.

    This whole situation (if that's how it went down) is like sitting down with a salesman who convinces you that you should go one way instead of another and then after you've made your decision, you decided to grab another salesman to complete the sale so they could get the commission. It just doesn't make sense to me.

    This whole move just seems like Hunt is just trying to please the mob. After watching EVERY SINGLE person leave that organization and absolutely BOMB by themselves, I just don't understand why everyone is so excited about this guy. If he brought Belichick with him, then I'd be more excited about it. But seriously, who do y'all think is more responsible for their successes, Pioli, Belichick, or having a solid O-line and franchise QB that was built before Pioli got there?

    I REALLY hope Pioli does good for us. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and we're not just the next team to pluck an overrated part of Bellichick's staff like Savage, Weiss, McDaniel, Crennell, etc. I'm real curious why more people aren't worried about this. I've done my homework on Pioli and can't find exactly what he was responsible for during their great run this decade except that he was part of the team.

    Bellichick has total personnel control over that team and Pioli wasn't even the GM.

    The whole thing about this franchise and where they've been the past decade and where they're headed is that this franchise was decimated by poor drafting from 99 to 2005. The head coach always gets the majority of the blame for a team's failure and to a certain extent that's acceptable. But a successful team builds through the draft and doesn't trade away draft picks for older vets. For whatever reason, Peterson didn't like this concept and it ultimately led to the destruction of this team and his resignation.

    I thank Edwards for finally getting this franchise on the right path and opening ownership's eyes to the fact that the right way to build a franchise is the way we're doing it and that Peterson was a cancer to this team. Edwards was the first coach since Schottenheimer to build this team correctly. At this point in the franchise's history, a coaches ability to manage the clock isn't exactly high on the list of concerns. He has established a culture this past year for the Chiefs and unless Pioli and the next head coach believe in the same concept, the Chiefs are never going to establish a consistently great team.

    I will say though, that if you looked at the beginning of the Patriot dynasty, they did exactly what Edwards and Hunt want to do. They built the team through the draft and only recently started adding high priced free agents. So, that is encouraging. If Pioli fires Herm because he thinks he's bringing in a better talent who believes in the same concept as Edwards and Hunt do, then I'm all for it.

    My very first concern has been and always will be building this team the right way. My endorsement of Edwards stems from the lone fact that he's the first guy who's pushed to do things the right way since Marty. My allegiance is to the team and any personnel who pushes to build the franchise for the long-term through the draft. The only other reason I thought Edwards should be retained is the fact he's only been given one team in three years who could've conceivably competed for a playoff birth and firing him IMO just isn't fair. But in term of the franchise, as long as they bring in a head coach with the same philosophy, I really don't care one way or the other who the head coach is. Well, as long as its not Ferentz.

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    I have been hearing alot about Ferentz... who knows we might get him.
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    I hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    It isn't, to me, only the fact that we got two wins this year. It's that our coach's personnel moves and gametime decisions were the main reason we only got two wins. If Herm were in his first year with other people's problems, I guess this could be chalked up. But this is his third year and these are his guys. He had total control.

    When did Herm get this "total control" you're talking about? Seems to me Herm wanted to start rebuilding even before this past season and Peterson wouldn't let him.

    And still, he drafted duds on the DL. He kept a dud DC. He tried to make the Brodie Croyle experiment work long past its expiration. He never bothered to worry about the OL. We kept making terrible free agent signings(Darling, D. Williams) to long contracts.

    Just because you're too impatient to develop defensive linemen, doesn't mean the Dlinemen he's drafted are "duds." It takes years to develop Dlinemen. Dorsey and Tank will be fine. Turk was a bad pick. I've always thought that. Williams will provide this team much needed depth at LB going forward. He wasn't a horrible sign. He's just not a starter.


    How are we not richer for losing Herm?

    For one, we'll probably lose TG. Most of the team wants Herm to stay and changing the entire system on 2nd and 3rd year players won't be a step forward. It's going to make all our young players look like rookies all over again which is going to make the coaching staff and fan base turn on them.
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    What leads you to believe that isn't what Pioli's doing?

    Look at Dimitroff (former Pats personnel guy) in Atlanta. We're going to follow that exact template - draft well, trade our malcontents, and make useful FA signings of good young players.

    If that's the model, which QB are we taking #3? Matt Ryan won't be there at #3 this year.
    Quote Originally Posted by slc chief View Post
    what makes you think he planned on bringing in free agents this year. he did not even have the ba##s to fire gunther.yeah herm did a ok job coaching vermeils team in his first year. he did the same with the jets his first year there.and if you can not tell the jets do not have a great group of young talent from herms drafts years ago.and fyi piolis teams have been drafted for the most part exclude moss seau and a few others.that is another thing about herm he would not know a good free agent signing even if it hit him in the face
    Because that's what he said his plan was at the season wrap up press conference.

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    I still think herm was put in a real crappy situation. College coaches should stay there. Steve Spurrier was thought to be the college coach that would make it and look what happened to him, Nick Saban as well. Im not too high on this ferentz guy.

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    I REALLY don't want Ferentz. But, with that being said, Ferentz was a pro coach for six years from 93 to 98. (albeit, not a HEAD COACH)

    But the fact that he's been at Iowa for ten years and hasn't produced a great team or a great program isn't exactly exciting. He's won ten or more games 3 times at Iowa. (02-04) He's produced a consistently mediocre team at Iowa. Their offense is average, their defense is average. He's ultimately an average head coach.... AT THE COLLEGIATE LEVEL. He's not even a "great coach" at the collegiate level. He plays in a weak conference and still can't do anything with that team.

    For those of you who think records are how you judge a coach, he's currently 8 games over .500 over a 13 year career as a head coach.

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    Not a Ferentz fan either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by garciakcfan View Post
    I still think herm was put in a real crappy situation. College coaches should stay there. Steve Spurrier was thought to be the college coach that would make it and look what happened to him, Nick Saban as well. Im not too high on this ferentz guy.
    I agree, and that is why I would not be surprised if there was any changes, of coaches, but I wonder if Herm and staff will be back. Time will tell.

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    I thought the Iowa coach had a son in the program and didn't want to leave until he graduated... ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by vqman View Post
    I thought the Iowa coach had a son in the program and didn't want to leave until he graduated... ??
    That is correct from what I know. Which is not much, other than my opinions.

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    I am a huge Hawkeye fan, and Kirk Ferentz has said he is not interested in the NFL yearly, except this year, this year he has said he hasnt had time to talk to Pioli and that they were both busy.

    Ferentz has a couple of kids still in school at the moment, but one of the things pointed out in an article I read said KC would be a very good location for him because he could have dual residency as KC is only a 5 hour drive from Iowa City,he could leave his kids in schools they are in now and he could split time between KC and Iowa when not in the heat of the season.

    Just speculation but this was from a writeup I read in an Iowa paper.

    Kirk Ferentz has a had a very impressive O-Line most every year in Iowa lets hope if he is brought in by Pioli he works his magic on our O-Line.




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