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    Everyone is saying Herm is on his way out. I do find it interesting that Herm wasn't fired BEFORE Pioli signed, like all the rumors had Hunt doing. If Pioli DOES come in and fire Herm immediately, I'm going to be VERY interested to see how he justifies it. "6 wins in 2 years" just isn't a smart argument. Neither of the last two teams were built to win and Herm is the guy who pushed to dump all the old guys and start completely over... which is now what Hunt is trying to continue to do.

    This whole situation (if that's how it went down) is like sitting down with a salesman who convinces you that you should go one way instead of another and then after you've made your decision, you decided to grab another salesman to complete the sale so they could get the commission. It just doesn't make sense to me.

    This whole move just seems like Hunt is just trying to please the mob. After watching EVERY SINGLE person leave that organization and absolutely BOMB by themselves, I just don't understand why everyone is so excited about this guy. If he brought Belichick with him, then I'd be more excited about it. But seriously, who do y'all think is more responsible for their successes, Pioli, Belichick, or having a solid O-line and franchise QB that was built before Pioli got there?

    I REALLY hope Pioli does good for us. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and we're not just the next team to pluck an overrated part of Bellichick's staff like Savage, Weiss, McDaniel, Crennell, etc. I'm real curious why more people aren't worried about this. I've done my homework on Pioli and can't find exactly what he was responsible for during their great run this decade except that he was part of the team.

    Bellichick has total personnel control over that team and Pioli wasn't even the GM.

    The whole thing about this franchise and where they've been the past decade and where they're headed is that this franchise was decimated by poor drafting from 99 to 2005. The head coach always gets the majority of the blame for a team's failure and to a certain extent that's acceptable. But a successful team builds through the draft and doesn't trade away draft picks for older vets. For whatever reason, Peterson didn't like this concept and it ultimately led to the destruction of this team and his resignation.

    I thank Edwards for finally getting this franchise on the right path and opening ownership's eyes to the fact that the right way to build a franchise is the way we're doing it and that Peterson was a cancer to this team. Edwards was the first coach since Schottenheimer to build this team correctly. At this point in the franchise's history, a coaches ability to manage the clock isn't exactly high on the list of concerns. He has established a culture this past year for the Chiefs and unless Pioli and the next head coach believe in the same concept, the Chiefs are never going to establish a consistently great team.

    I will say though, that if you looked at the beginning of the Patriot dynasty, they did exactly what Edwards and Hunt want to do. They built the team through the draft and only recently started adding high priced free agents. So, that is encouraging. If Pioli fires Herm because he thinks he's bringing in a better talent who believes in the same concept as Edwards and Hunt do, then I'm all for it.

    My very first concern has been and always will be building this team the right way. My endorsement of Edwards stems from the lone fact that he's the first guy who's pushed to do things the right way since Marty. My allegiance is to the team and any personnel who pushes to build the franchise for the long-term through the draft. The only other reason I thought Edwards should be retained is the fact he's only been given one team in three years who could've conceivably competed for a playoff birth and firing him IMO just isn't fair. But in term of the franchise, as long as they bring in a head coach with the same philosophy, I really don't care one way or the other who the head coach is. Well, as long as its not Ferentz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefnut View Post
    at this point trading L J and Tony G for draft piks, not a bad idea. we are going nowhere next year anyway, we may get a second round for L J and a third for TG. Tony does deserve a better end to his career than what awaits him here. our defense is embarrasingly awful, w/a supposed "defensive guru" at head coach and another at DC how did we get so bad. i don't think we can just blame the players. Hali has been going downhill each year and our team seems to be where good linebackers go to die. the only bright spot has been Thigpen, a decent young cheap QB to give us a little breathing room on draft day. herm & staff must go! miami rebuilt in one season to a playoff team, why can't we do it in 3 years? cause herm wasted the first 2 that's why.
    Herm wasted the first two years? We are not going anywhere next year? WOW! that was great. The only problem with your rhetoric is that Herm wanted to blow this thing up after the Colts loss and the front office thought that the team had one more year left in em'. As far as us sucking next year, why in the he!! would you say that? Are you a Raiders fan? Maybe you didnt catch the 6 games that we lost by less than 7 points. Maybe you just weren't available to see a bunch of twenty somethings play their a$$ off down the stretch to lose at the end and come back fighting the next week. These guys are very close whether you like it or not. The foundation has been built, sprinkle in a few free agents and a good draft and we WILL be good! By the way, that was a GREAT idea to send the greatest player in our teams history packing! You must be a real die hard!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek View Post
    By the way, that was a GREAT idea to send the greatest player in our teams history packing! You must be a real die hard!
    You're lucky Len Dawson didn't hear you call TG that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Really? Cut and dry huh? It really is sad that this is the predominant opinion from Kansas City. There's ZERO foresight in this community and it's really starting to become apparent why Carl Peterson continually mortgaged the future of this franchise for wins NOW instead of building for a great team in the future.

    People like this can't handle a couple losing seasons to do things the right way. Kansas City is showing its true colors. The fan base pisses and moans about not being able to make it to the Super Bowl, but when someone actually tries to correct the problem, the mob doesn't realize it because it's been so long since its happened.

    Success isn't always measured in wins and its become apparent, wins and losses is the extent of this fan base's thought process.
    Did you watch the Chiefs this season. A defensive minded coach had his team finish dead last in team defense. With two minutes left in the second quarter we were outscored 69-0 last time I looked. We were outscored 70 something to 7 in the third quarter. His inability to make game time adjustments and his complete incompetence with the two minute left is why I think he's a bad coach. Get off the youth movement, get off the injures, get off the 6 wins. He is not a very good game time coach which is evident in his record.

    Like I have asked you a million times and you still have never answered in his eight years as a HC what teams has he rebuilt besides the Chiefs? Qualifications mean moire than anything and Herm hasn't done a whole lot. Oh yeah he won 2 playoff games in New York....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek View Post
    "that was a GREAT idea to send the greatest player in our teams history packing!"
    I couldn't agree more. I understand the love for Thigpen and the season he had, but in comparison he seems to draw alot more love/respect than the GREAT Tony Gonzalez. Keep Thiggy and throw away a KC HOFer, sorry fellas... that don't sit right in my books.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I H8 Every Team But KC View Post
    And that's what people forget about. There are going to be 3-4 proven coach's come back next year. What is so bad about using Herm for one more year to finish rebuilding the team when there are no clear cut choices for his replacement this year?

    I'm all for it myself...
    Here is the problem with it. If Herm has a better year, and somehow squeaks into the playoffs, then the apparent need to drop Herm becomes less important as he will be steering the ship in the right direction. The problem is that New York was able to make the playoffs a couple of times in Edward's reign there, but he never was a dominating coach that had any real chance of ever winning a championship. We need to drop him now while the reason for doing so is clear and in front of us. I don't want to take the chance that he gets lucky next season and then we have another 4-12 season in 2010. And YES, I am a real fan and I do believe that is a real possibility!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek View Post
    Herm wasted the first two years? We are not going anywhere next year? WOW! that was great. The only problem with your rhetoric is that Herm wanted to blow this thing up after the Colts loss and the front office thought that the team had one more year left in em'. As far as us sucking next year, why in the he!! would you say that? Are you a Raiders fan? Maybe you didnt catch the 6 games that we lost by less than 7 points. Maybe you just weren't available to see a bunch of twenty somethings play their a$$ off down the stretch to lose at the end and come back fighting the next week. These guys are very close whether you like it or not. The foundation has been built, sprinkle in a few free agents and a good draft and we WILL be good! By the way, that was a GREAT idea to send the greatest player in our teams history packing! You must be a real die hard!
    how do you know herm wanted to dismantle the CHIEFS a year earlier and was prevented? how do you know last year was not phase 1 of his youth movement? please reread my opinion....i never said we were going to suck next year, i said "we're not going anywhere next year",. herm took us from 9 wins to 4 wins to 2 wins, i doubt if we will win mor than 6 or 7 games next year, which would be a great turn around but won't get us into the playoffs. i also never said i wanted to "get rid" of Tony G, i said that he deserved a better end to a great career than on a 6-26 team. with the exception of miami's mirraculous turn around , most teams take 2 to 3 seasons to go from the bottom to serious SB contender. i doubt if Tony can take 2 or more years of being pounded going over the middle as a teams main target. please don't hurl insults like "raiders fans" around lightly, their is no greater insult than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek View Post
    Herm wasted the first two years? We are not going anywhere next year? WOW! that was great. The only problem with your rhetoric is that Herm wanted to blow this thing up after the Colts loss and the front office thought that the team had one more year left in em'. As far as us sucking next year, why in the he!! would you say that? Are you a Raiders fan? Maybe you didnt catch the 6 games that we lost by less than 7 points. Maybe you just weren't available to see a bunch of twenty somethings play their a$$ off down the stretch to lose at the end and come back fighting the next week. These guys are very close whether you like it or not. The foundation has been built, sprinkle in a few free agents and a good draft and we WILL be good! By the way, that was a GREAT idea to send the greatest player in our teams history packing! You must be a real die hard!
    Herm has done an alright job putting together a young team, he has done marginal in then coaching that team. Herm was never the guy we needed for this team, I said it when he was hired and I am saying it again now. He has always been a good judge of talent, but he just does not know how to prepare for a game, and get the team ready to play.

    He does not make good calls on the field, does not know how to manage the clock, he has a terrible perpensity to place blame on others when the blame falls squarely on him. I would rather keep Larry Johnson than keep Herm Edwards at this point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefnut View Post
    how do you know herm wanted to dismantle the CHIEFS a year earlier and was prevented? how do you know last year was not phase 1 of his youth movement? please reread my opinion....i never said we were going to suck next year, i said "we're not going anywhere next year",. herm took us from 9 wins to 4 wins to 2 wins, i doubt if we will win mor than 6 or 7 games next year, which would be a great turn around but won't get us into the playoffs. i also never said i wanted to "get rid" of Tony G, i said that he deserved a better end to a great career than on a 6-26 team. with the exception of miami's mirraculous turn around , most teams take 2 to 3 seasons to go from the bottom to serious SB contender. i doubt if Tony can take 2 or more years of being pounded going over the middle as a teams main target. please don't hurl insults like "raiders fans" around lightly, their is no greater insult than that.
    Everybody knows that Herm wanted to blow this thing up after the Colts loss in year 1. Its been written by everybody for 2 years. Its nothing new. Its funny you mention it, because its actually talked about in the star today.


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    i just read the article, i stand corected, i always knew herm wanted a youth movement from the start but the article does lend credence to carl blocking him, which i never believed before. herm was carls guy from the start, i never saw any public rift philosophicaly or otherwise. just the occasional rumor.

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    just to come in on the back end of this discussion, Edwards was hand picked by Dick Vermeil. He was never purely "Carl's guy." He just listened to what Vermeil thought about his successor.


    To get back to the original post, after watching the Pioli press conference today, I'm on board. Pioli said everything exactly right. The philosophy is exactly what I agree with and exactly what I've been defending since I arrived on this board. I think his approach to the current staff and roster only gives him more clout as a person who's ready to be "THE GUY" in my opinion. While Edwards may not be the best guy for the job at the end of the process, at least he isn't coming in and cleaning house immediately without evaluations. I like his approach to the opportunity presented in front of him and I do think he's the right guy for this job.

    Good hire by Clark Hunt in my opinion.

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