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    I read on another forum about an idea to trade away Thigpen and get like the Lions 20th pick!!!!

    I was just wondering what you guys think his value is and what we could get out of him? If people are saying it would take our 3rd overall to get Cassel I would think Thigpen could get us a mid 1st rounder as well don't ya think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevo1020 View Post
    For one, if you trade for Cassell then that means he has signed their franchise tag and that would be two first round picks that you have to give up to sign him. I don't think Pioli would do that. So my answer to the qb situation would be to retain Thigpen and go after another qb in free agency(one like Byron Leftwich) and maybe one later in the draft if that scenario pans out. If they don't franchise Cassell, then try to bring him in and still keep Thigpen and have a open competition for them.
    No, that's not the rule. It's only two 1sts if the Chiefs tender an offer, Thigpen accepts, and the Pats decline to match. If the Pats want to trade a tagged Cassel for less, they are within their rights to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    Maybe, but you're pretty alone in that. Cassel looks to have the better arm and better accuracy. It isn't worth what it would take to trade for him, not when we have so many holes to fill using the draft, but if Cassel were a FA, we'd be nuts not to try to sign him.
    No he isn't alone. I figure if you switched Thigpen with Cassel last year, and let Thigpen play for the Pats, things would look better for Tyler.

    Do you guys recall how stagnant this offense was before Tyler came out against Tampa. The team as a whole was looking worse that Detroit. The only reason the team was competitive was because Thigpen was making Chicken Salad out of Chicken poop...

    I don't want Cassel, specially with his price tag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    Tom Brady in his first season with the Pats was 24 years old, had a 63.9% completion rate, threw for 2849 yards, 18 TDs and 12 INTs. His passer rating was 86.5. The Pats went 11-5.

    Matt Cassel in his first season with the Pats was 26 years old, had a 63.4% completion rate, threw for 3693 yards, 21 TDs and 11 INTs. His passer rating was 89.4. The Pats went 11-5.

    Tyler Thigpen in his first season with the Chiefs was 24 years old, had a 54.8% completion rate, threw for 2608 yards, 18 TDs and 12 INTs. His passer rating was 76.0. The Chiefs went 2-14. Thigpen went 1-10.

    Thigpen showed a lot of heart and some skill this season. But anyone who says Thigpen's better than Cassel needs to watch more football.
    It is a team sport. Anyone who is even comparing a QB on a Superbowl caliber team compared to the Crappy Chiefs needs to watch more football, and probably take a logic pill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    Tom Brady in his first season with the Pats was 24 years old, had a 63.9% completion rate, threw for 2849 yards, 18 TDs and 12 INTs. His passer rating was 86.5. The Pats went 11-5.

    Matt Cassel in his first season with the Pats was 26 years old, had a 63.4% completion rate, threw for 3693 yards, 21 TDs and 11 INTs. His passer rating was 89.4. The Pats went 11-5.

    Tyler Thigpen in his first season with the Chiefs was 24 years old, had a 54.8% completion rate, threw for 2608 yards, 18 TDs and 12 INTs. His passer rating was 76.0. The Chiefs went 2-14. Thigpen went 1-10.

    Thigpen showed a lot of heart and some skill this season. But anyone who says Thigpen's better than Cassel needs to watch more football.
    Alright, more football then.

    Tom Brady's first year starting was 2001. He started 14 games, played in 15. His supporting cast consisted of Troy Brown and David Patten as wide receivers (no consistent TE that season) and Kevin Faulk and Antowain Smith rushing.

    Matt Cassel. Started 15 games, played in 16. His supporting case consisted of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Jabar Gaffney, and Ben Watson. Running backs were in and out this season, however, the Patriots finished with the sixth best rushing offense this season.

    Tyler Thigpen. Started 11 games. Played in 14. You know his supporting cast of Bowe, Gonzalez, and Johnson/Charles. The Chiefs finished with the 16th best rushing offense.

    So when you break it down, yes, Cassel did better. Was it easier for him? Yes. Does that make him better than Thigpen? Hard to say, but I'm going to say no because he did not show me anything that said he was better than Thigpen. Thigpen did show me that he is inconsistent and needs to refine some of his throws. What QB doesn't need a little fine tuning.

    To get Cassel, we would have to sign him long term. With Thigpen, we sign him to a backup's salary. If Thigpen does not turn out, we can draft a new QB in 2010. If Cassel does not turn out to be a good QB, then we're stuck with him because his cap figure will be as bad as LJ's.

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    You can not compare TT to MC because they did not have the same team around them i.e. OL, WR if TT had more than 2 seconds to throw he may have had a higher completion % you can't say. Also if he had Moss and Welker catching instead of dropping again he could have been better. Not talking about the DEF keeping the team in the game unlike ours and I am not even going into the difference in the coaches. It is like compairing apples to oranges you can't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    You can't really believe that, can you?

    At best, we might get a 5th rounder from a team like Tennessee or Carolina, who would want a young QB as a backup to an aging starter. No one is trading for Thigpen to run their team.
    I Agree. Thigpen would not warrant a Day 1 pick. Oh by the way, we're not really in a position to be trading away QB's.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    Look, we're all a bit of homers here. And I know that we all want Thigpen to succeed in 2009. But outside massive Chiefs fans, you won't find anyone debating Thigpen v. Cassel.
    If you take off your Chiefs blinders, you'd have to agree that nobody in this league would choose Thigpen over Cassell at this point in their careers. I like Thigpen, but right now they aren't held in the same regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevo1020 View Post
    So my answer to the qb situation would be to retain Thigpen and go after another qb in free agency(one like Byron Leftwich) and maybe one later in the draft if that scenario pans out.
    I like that idea. I was kind of surprised that we didn't go after Leftwich last year. Probably because we had Sakintosh at RT. If I recall, Leftwich is left-handed. So we could use a 3rd rounder to protect his backside by picking up a RT. Possibly someone like Loadholt. If we could land Alex Mack in the 2nd, then suddenly things would be coming together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    You can't really believe that, can you?

    At best, we might get a 5th rounder from a team like Tennessee or Carolina, who would want a young QB as a backup to an aging starter. No one is trading for Thigpen to run their team.
    I agree because Thiggie is a one win wonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    If you take off your Chiefs blinders, you'd have to agree that nobody in this league would choose Thigpen over Cassell at this point in their careers. I like Thigpen, but right now they aren't held in the same regard.
    Yeah. I know. That's what I was saying.

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    I wouldn't take Cassell over Thigpen for THIS particular team. Cassell isn't mobile enough to stay alive behind this O-line.

    The problem with mock drafts (and I'm guilty of it too) is that they only look good if they're addressing team needs. But the consensus seems to be that you draft the best available player and only draft for need if the best available player happens to fill a need. So to say drafting a center or guard or LB in the second round is all fine and good, but it seems like the best drafting teams just take the best player available. If the Chiefs stick to that model, there's no way we're even looking at a QB at #3 and we're probably going with Thigpen under center in 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    I Agree. Thigpen would not warrant a Day 1 pick. Oh by the way, we're not really in a position to be trading away QB's.



    If you take off your Chiefs blinders, you'd have to agree that nobody in this league would choose Thigpen over Cassell at this point in their careers. I like Thigpen, but right now they aren't held in the same regard.



    I like that idea. I was kind of surprised that we didn't go after Leftwich last year. Probably because we had Sakintosh at RT. If I recall, Leftwich is left-handed. So we could use a 3rd rounder to protect his backside by picking up a RT. Possibly someone like Loadholt. If we could land Alex Mack in the 2nd, then suddenly things would be coming together.
    This is no longer a discussion of whether who will be the Chiefs QB. I think everyone assumes it will be Thigpen because of cost and draft picks. But no one said that a team would choose Cassel over Thigpen. As fans, yeah, we choose Thigpen over Cassel. But when you look at Cassel, it is hard to give him credit for anything he did. Because of the team around him, people think that Cassel is great, but they are just blinded without looking at the facts.

    And Byron Leftwich is right-handed. But it is a common mistake probably because of his name.

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