Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 15

Thread: do you think a new

  1. #1
    Member Since
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    711

    Default do you think a new

    defensive coordinator will change how which type of defense the chiefs run? just curious on what people think.

  2. #2
    Member Since
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    1,915

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by marloweopatchiefs View Post
    defensive coordinator will change how which type of defense the chiefs run? just curious on what people think.
    He may. He may not. We can't know until that DC is hired.

    My gut says we draft and sign FA defensive players this draft that can be either 3-4 or 4-3, and move to a 3-4 in 2010.

  3. #3
    Member Since
    Sep 2008
    Posts
    2,973

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    He may. He may not. We can't know until that DC is hired.

    My gut says we draft and sign FA defensive players this draft that can be either 3-4 or 4-3, and move to a 3-4 in 2010.
    Agreed. If w hire a 3-4 DC we will probably see a slow migration to the 3-4. We will probably have a hybrid D for a year or two. It will take awhile to build the proper personnel.

  4. #4
    Member Since
    Sep 2005
    Location
    SE Kansas
    Posts
    31,642

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by marloweopatchiefs View Post
    defensive coordinator will change how which type of defense the chiefs run? just curious on what people think.
    Man, I sure hope so.

  5. #5
    Member Since
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Kansas City Missouri
    Posts
    3,814

    Default

    Yes, and I hope so. That cover 2/zone crap sucks. I think the only team who is good at it is Tampa Bay.
    <a href=http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/../../../../image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2553&dateline=1258934108 target=_blank>http://www.chiefscrowd.com/forums/.....ine=1258934108</a>

  6. #6
    Member Since
    Sep 2005
    Location
    SE Kansas
    Posts
    31,642

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by honda522 View Post
    Yes, and I hope so. That cover 2/zone crap sucks. I think the only team who is good at it is Tampa Bay.
    ...Like a Hoover vacuum cleaner.

  7. #7
    Member Since
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    1,915

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by honda522 View Post
    Yes, and I hope so. That cover 2/zone crap sucks. I think the only team who is good at it is Tampa Bay.
    The Vikings and Colts run pretty decent varients of the Cover 2.

    The problem with the Cover 2 is that (1) it isn't good for teams that play outdoors, on grass (speed advantage is lost and the team is undersized); (2) you need the right personnel, almost to a man, for it to have any chance of success; (3) you need a good, running, time chewing offense that can keep your speed-based defense rested.

    Why the Chiefs failed at the Cover 2 is a mixture of those three reasons. Also because we never had a real MLB to help with the run after Kawika Mitchell was chased out of town.
    Last edited by jmlamerson; 02-15-2009 at 02:34 PM.

  8. #8
    Member Since
    Sep 2005
    Location
    SE Kansas
    Posts
    31,642

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    The Vikings and Colts run pretty decent varients of the Cover 2.

    The problem with the Cover 2 is that (1) it isn't good for teams that play outdoors, on grass (speed advantage is lost and the team is undersized); (2) you need the right personnel, almost to a man, for it to have any chance of success; (3) you need a good, running, time chewing offense that can keep your speed-based defense rested.

    Why the Chiefs failed at the Cover 2 is a mixture of those three reasons. Also because we never had a real MLB to help with the run after Kawika Mitchell was chased out of town.

    Good post!

  9. #9
    Member Since
    Jun 2005
    Location
    San Antonio, TX
    Posts
    3,846

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jmlamerson View Post
    The Vikings and Colts run pretty decent varients of the Cover 2.

    The problem with the Cover 2 is that (1) it isn't good for teams that play outdoors, on grass (speed advantage is lost and the team is undersized); (2) you need the right personnel, almost to a man, for it to have any chance of success; (3) you need a good, running, time chewing offense that can keep your speed-based defense rested.

    Why the Chiefs failed at the Cover 2 is a mixture of those three reasons. Also because we never had a real MLB to help with the run after Kawika Mitchell was chased out of town.
    So, Dorsey and Tank are bad DTs and have zero potential to turn into any but Ryan Sims, but Kawika Mitchell was a "REAL" and good MLB, huh?
    You know, Kendrell Bell got a big contract too... that didn't make him a good player.

    The 4-3 defense is a good defense. It puts a lot of pressure on the QB. I see everyone getting all pissed about the pass rush this season, then those same people railing for a 3-4. That's just really funny to me. We haven't acquired the personnel to run a 3-4 over the last couple seasons. If started implementing a 3-4, not only would we have to basically get rid of our entire defense, but we would have to endure another 2 or 3 seasons of awful defensive play until we could get the right personnel installed. Then, after we DO get everyone in place, we're going to hear about how horrible the pass rush will be. We won't give up any rush yards, but teams will be able to pass all over the place because in order to pressure on the QB, you're going to have to blitz at least one or two LBs, which opens the passing lanes up even more.

    We have young, talented players in place to be able to run the 4-3 effectively. There are holes at LB and DE for sure. I would even like another FS and a shut down CB like Aso, but this defense is being built in one direction and suddenly changing the scheme would be a HUGE step in the wrong direction. Any DC worth a damn will build a defensive scheme around the players available to him (much like what Gailey did this past season on offense). If a DC has to step into a perfect situation to be successful, he's no better than the average Madden player. Anyone can call defensive plays. I want someone in here who can build something great with the talent available to him.

    It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

  10. #10
    Member Since
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    1,915

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    So, Dorsey and Tank are bad DTs and have zero potential to turn into any but Ryan Sims, but Kawika Mitchell was a "REAL" and good MLB, huh?
    I never said Tank and Dorsey don't have potential. But they were the worst starting DT duo in the NFL last year. Both for their ability to pressure the passer and to stop the run. Could they get better? Maybe. Are they good now? No. Do we need better DT play if we ever want a top-20 defense? Yes.

    Ryan Sims turned out to be a decent reserve DT for Tampa. He'd have been the best DT on our DL this year, were he still a Chief. Dorsey and Tank are worse DTs right now than Ryan Sims. They will have to improve to be as good as him.

    I understand people defending Dorsey and Tank's potential. I don't understand defending their performance. I understand you have a lot invested, after having defended Tank, Dorsey, Page, Pat Thomas, and Hali pretty vociferously as long term solutions to our defense. But you're letting your pride get in the way of accurately reviewing their performances.

    I probably should have said LB, not MLB for Kawika Mitchell. In any case, he was a big physical player - the sort we have badly needed in our LB corps. Since leaving, he's only been a starting LB on a SB team and has done a whole lot better on the Bills than anyone we had this year.

    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    You know, Kendrell Bell got a big contract too... that didn't make him a good player.
    This sentence has less coherence than most of what you write. Everyone knows that Ty Law, Donnie Edwards, Kendrell Bell, etc. got big contracts and have underperformed.

    Just so you know, when Jonathan Vilma gets his big contract, he'll underperform.

    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    The 4-3 defense is a good defense. It puts a lot of pressure on the QB. I see everyone getting all pissed about the pass rush this season, then those same people railing for a 3-4. That's just really funny to me. We haven't acquired the personnel to run a 3-4 over the last couple seasons. If started implementing a 3-4, not only would we have to basically get rid of our entire defense, but we would have to endure another 2 or 3 seasons of awful defensive play until we could get the right personnel installed. Then, after we DO get everyone in place, we're going to hear about how horrible the pass rush will be. We won't give up any rush yards, but teams will be able to pass all over the place because in order to pressure on the QB, you're going to have to blitz at least one or two LBs, which opens the passing lanes up even more.

    We have young, talented players in place to be able to run the 4-3 effectively. There are holes at LB and DE for sure. I would even like another FS and a shut down CB like Aso, but this defense is being built in one direction and suddenly changing the scheme would be a HUGE step in the wrong direction. Any DC worth a damn will build a defensive scheme around the players available to him (much like what Gailey did this past season on offense). If a DC has to step into a perfect situation to be successful, he's no better than the average Madden player. Anyone can call defensive plays. I want someone in here who can build something great with the talent available to him.
    There are people in Detroit, Oakland, New Orleans, Cleveland, and other cities who think they have talented young defenses that were mismanaged. Not being fans of those teams, we can look at those defenses and see that they just lack talent. That as much as a Cleveland fan might want to believe it, Kalimba Edwards will never be a top DE. Right now, fans of every team in the league think their team has more defensive talent than the Chiefs. The Chiefs defense personnel is the laughingstock of the league right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.
    Great. Then stop whining how Vermiel left the cupboard bare.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •