Cassel traded to the Chiefs

**balto** · 02-28-2009, 01:03 PM

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Update:
Chiefs get Vrabel and Cassel in exchange for the Chiefs 2009 2nd rd(34th) pick.

**AussieChiefsFan** · 03-31-2009, 05:33 AM

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**PeteCarroll** · 03-31-2009, 01:31 PM

Sorry guys I don't think signing old backups and trading the 34th overall pick for a soon to be 27 yr old QB who has had 1 good year on a great team and a old LB who is obviously on the decline of his career was a good move. I see you guys really like to toe the company line thats cool.

Ask yourself this, do you think Stafford will be better at 27 than Cassel?

**tornadospotter** · 03-31-2009, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by PeteCarroll

Sorry guys I don't think signing old backups and trading the 34th overall pick for a soon to be 27 yr old QB who has had 1 good year on a great team and a old LB who is obviously on the decline of his career was a good move. I see you guys really like to toe the company line thats cool.

Ask yourself this, do you think Stafford will be better at 27 than Cassel?

To be honest, I did not think we needed to draft or trade for a QB... I think we should have keep the 34th pick, draft for needs, pick up a QB in later Rd's or from Ufa's. I was fine with Thig being the QB. But we now have Cassel, so why even think about drafting a QB, especialy when we gave up our 2rd pick?, we have to draft for other needs! Not QB!
jmo

**Canada** · 03-31-2009, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by PeteCarroll

Sorry guys I don't think signing old backups and trading the 34th overall pick for a soon to be 27 yr old QB who has had 1 good year on a great team and a old LB who is obviously on the decline of his career was a good move. I see you guys really like to toe the company line thats cool.

Ask yourself this, do you think Stafford will be better at 27 than Cassel?

Ah Pete, you just like to bag on other teams. You think Cassel is gonna be a bad QB yet you give absolutely no reason why. Cassel is gonna get a good team built around him and he will continue to win games here in KC. You just hope he is gonna be bad cause you know that we are gonna take control of the AFC away from the Patriots and they will go back to stinkin it up...kinda like when you used to coach them. Pardon me for not thinking your advice is worth much!!

**PeteCarroll** · 03-31-2009, 05:26 PM

OK if you want to hang your hopes on a 1 year wonder go ahead Scott Mitchell2 will be just fine. Also I see none of you telling me why you think he's so great its just "oh you're on drugs" "How is that rock?" 'You're crazy"

**jmlamerson** · 03-31-2009, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by PeteCarroll

OK if you want to hang your hopes on a 1 year wonder go ahead Scott Mitchell2 will be just fine. Also I see none of you telling me why you think he's so great its just "oh you're on drugs" "How is that rock?" 'You're crazy"

Matt Cassel stat-wise was one of the best QBs in the league last season, racking up impressive numbers through the air, while having a substandard line and no real RB.

He is only 26-years-old, and has been mentored by the best coach and QB of the modern era.

He is the prototypical height and weight, and has shown both accuracy and arm strenth.

He won 11 games last year, despite it being his first year starting.

He won both close games, shootouts, and made comebacks in the 4th quarter.

And yes, everyone except malcontents like you is happy to have him behind center, instead of a future bust like Sanchez or Stafford.

If you don't like it, you can probably troll other boards elsewhere.

**KCOUTLAW** · 03-31-2009, 07:36 PM

LOL

. Ya know, its really hard to say what Matt will bring to the Chiefs from here. But i do know this...IT SURE AS HELL AINT HURTING!! And for a lousy 2nd round pick I think it was a great move!!! And as far as Pete C. I just dont know why you think Cassel isnt for real, true he had a great core of recievers and coaches etc..But do you think just anyone can come off the bench and rack up numbers, accumulate tds, throw for over 3000 yards knowing that you are filling in for the best QB in the league!!!!!!!!!! HELL KNOW!!! There are starters in the league that cant do that! Tyler is a good QB too. We finally have a legitimate starter and back up situation in KC regaurdless who starts.

**DT14PRIEST** · 03-31-2009, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by PeteCarroll

I'll be honest I have not liked this trade from the get go. Aside from hiring Haley I see Pioli as a huge disappointment. Vrabel is solid but old, Cassel is a HUGE question mark. I think we would have been much better served by keeping our 2nd round pick and taking Stafford or Sanchez in the first and using the 34th overall on a LB.

I don't see how drafting a Sanchez or Stafford is money in the bank and W's in the win column. As far as I know Sanchez is a one year injury prone USC standout, a flash in the pan, and Stafford is an inconsitent gunslinger Bulldog.

Could either of them pan out to be good to decent QB's in the future? Yes

Is history and stats in their favor? No

As far as our 2nd round pick is concerned, when you can bring in two players to start immediately and contribute/mentor to a young team; I think thats a deal that any GM would make in an instant. It immediately makes your team that much better then it was.

The only downside to Cassel is the cap hit we have to eat for his Franchise tag and even that when taken into perspective isn't a huge price to pay considering the potential upside he has. Yea he didn't start in college because Leinart had a stronger arm but when they were both given the reigns to a team and asked to lead one produced and the other didn't. Cassel instantly gained NFL credibility as a starter and future potential while Leinart revealed a bust in the making. Yea he was a backup in NE but he was scouted by Pioli and drafted in spite of it because of that potential.

With the Cassel acquisition we've already commitited our long term future with him at the helm. Our team, the Chiefs, will be molded to suit his strengths and assist in his deficencies (while few ones that can be ironed out with proper one on one coaching and continued progress as a starter). How anyone can think that we lost value in trading our 2nd round pick is just simple ignorance and total neglect to view reason. Their is no gaurentee with any pick in the draft that the college kid we draft produces as advertised.

What Pioli did was spend 2nd round potential for two proven players and gaurenteed day 1 starters, you can't ask for much else as a fan and thinking anything less of it is simply asinine.

**Coach** · 03-31-2009, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by PeteCarroll

I'll be honest I have not liked this trade from the get go. Aside from hiring Haley I see Pioli as a huge disappointment. Vrabel is solid but old, Cassel is a HUGE question mark. I think we would have been much better served by keeping our 2nd round pick and taking Stafford or Sanchez in the first and using the 34th overall on a LB.

I hated losing our 2nd round pick. But not nearly as much as I would have hated losing our 1st round pick by drafting a QB that would not have even seen the field next year.

If the Chiefs would have drafted Sanchez or Stafford at #3, you are making a big bet that the guy pans out. They also would have probably not contributed at all next year. Instead the Chiefs spent a 2nd round pick on a player who has proven he can play at the next level and can contribute day 1. Now we can use our 1st round pick to address the lackluster defense and pass rush.

Let's pretend for a second that Stafford or Sanchez had fallen into our laps in the 2nd round, I would rather have Cassell over either of those guys and Cassell has proven that he can win at this level. Throw Vrabel in the mix on a team that sorely needed LB's and help with their transition to a 3-4 scheme. I'm really not sure how you could argue against this trade unless you didn't want the Chiefs to draft a QB at all. That would have meant putting all of our hopes on Tyler Thigpen. I like Tyler Thigpen, but if he didn't work out or was injured, then this team would have been staring at another 2-14 season. Now we have a QB competition between two guys that I think have bright futures. That's a very much different situation than we had going into last season.

It was a great trade IMO. Great trade.

**PeteCarroll** · 04-01-2009, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Coach

I hated losing our 2nd round pick. But not nearly as much as I would have hated losing our 1st round pick by drafting a QB that would not have even seen the field next year.

If the Chiefs would have drafted Sanchez or Stafford at #3, you are making a big bet that the guy pans out. They also would have probably not contributed at all next year. Instead the Chiefs spent a 2nd round pick on a player who has proven he can play at the next level and can contribute day 1. Now we can use our 1st round pick to address the lackluster defense and pass rush.

Let's pretend for a second that Stafford or Sanchez had fallen into our laps in the 2nd round, I would rather have Cassell over either of those guys and Cassell has proven that he can win at this level. Throw Vrabel in the mix on a team that sorely needed LB's and help with their transition to a 3-4 scheme. I'm really not sure how you could argue against this trade unless you didn't want the Chiefs to draft a QB at all. That would have meant putting all of our hopes on Tyler Thigpen. I like Tyler Thigpen, but if he didn't work out or was injured, then this team would have been staring at another 2-14 season. Now we have a QB competition between two guys that I think have bright futures. That's a very much different situation than we had going into last season.

It was a great trade IMO. Great trade.

Well thats why you are the site admin you gave me your reasons, well versed and thought out. I however disagree with them. I can't help but think Cassel is a flash in the pan, he was a decent QB on a GREAT football team. IMO if all three Sanchez, Stafford, even Bradford, and Cassel are compared at the age of 27 Cassel would be the bottom guy on the rung. But this is a forum for debate and I respect your opinions.