Cassel traded to the Chiefs

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Update:
Chiefs get Vrabel and Cassel in exchange for the Chiefs 2009 2nd rd(34th) pick.

[PeteCarroll]

I don't see how drafting a Sanchez or Stafford is money in the bank and W's in the win column. As far as I know Sanchez is a one year injury prone USC standout, a flash in the pan, and Stafford is an inconsitent gunslinger Bulldog.

Could either of them pan out to be good to decent QB's in the future? Yes

Is history and stats in their favor? No

As far as our 2nd round pick is concerned, when you can bring in two players to start immediately and contribute/mentor to a young team; I think thats a deal that any GM would make in an instant. It immediately makes your team that much better then it was.

The only downside to Cassel is the cap hit we have to eat for his Franchise tag and even that when taken into perspective isn't a huge price to pay considering the potential upside he has. Yea he didn't start in college because Leinart had a stronger arm but when they were both given the reigns to a team and asked to lead one produced and the other didn't. Cassel instantly gained NFL credibility as a starter and future potential while Leinart revealed a bust in the making. Yea he was a backup in NE but he was scouted by Pioli and drafted in spite of it because of that potential.

With the Cassel acquisition we've already commitited our long term future with him at the helm. Our team, the Chiefs, will be molded to suit his strengths and assist in his deficencies (while few ones that can be ironed out with proper one on one coaching and continued progress as a starter). How anyone can think that we lost value in trading our 2nd round pick is just simple ignorance and total neglect to view reason. Their is no gaurentee with any pick in the draft that the college kid we draft produces as advertised.

What Pioli did was spend 2nd round potential for two proven players and gaurenteed day 1 starters, you can't ask for much else as a fan and thinking anything less of it is simply asinine.

Damn great post. I completely understand where you are coming from. I just don't think we have the talent around him to make him successful, look he took a team that went undefeated in the regular season the previous year and failed to make the playoffs with them . I don't think anyone has any doubt that if Mr Brady was at the helm they goto the superbowl and Mr Cassel is released.

[PeteCarroll]

Matt Cassel stat-wise was one of the best QBs in the league last season, racking up impressive numbers through the air, while having a substandard line and no real RB.

He is only 26-years-old, and has been mentored by the best coach and QB of the modern era.

He is the prototypical height and weight, and has shown both accuracy and arm strenth.

He won 11 games last year, despite it being his first year starting.

He won both close games, shootouts, and made comebacks in the 4th quarter.

And yes, everyone except malcontents like you is happy to have him behind center, instead of a future bust like Sanchez or Stafford.

If you don't like it, you can probably troll other boards elsewhere.

I troll no where I am a Chiefs fan as hard as it has been, but I'm sorry I don't just agree with everything the FO has done.

I'll bet a few GM's would agree that Stafford and Sanchez will have better careers than Cassel. I'm the biggest SC homer on Earth and I can't stand the guy.

So am I the only one on this entire board that disagrees with everyone else. I see me being quoted on everyone's post.

Malcontent or not I don't think Matt Cassel is not as good as he is made out to be, sorry if we disagree. I thought thats what this is for.

[Sn@keIze]

. IMO if all three Sanchez, Stafford, even Bradford, and Cassel are compared at the age of 27 Cassel would be the bottom guy on the rung. .

Do you seriously think if Cassell was in the upcoming draft he'd fall to the 34th pick? There were teams willing to give up their 1st pick for him (Jets/Bucs)

We got a good deal and retained our 1st pick. We are still in a position to have an outstanding draft.

[PeteCarroll]

Do you seriously think if Cassell was in the upcoming draft he'd fall to the 34th pick? There were teams willing to give up their 1st pick for him (Jets/Bucs)

We got a good deal and retained our 1st pick. We are still in a position to have an outstanding draft.

At 27 years of age YES.

[Canada]

I troll no where I am a Chiefs fan as hard as it has been, but I'm sorry I don't just agree with everything the FO has done.

I'll bet a few GM's would agree that Stafford and Sanchez will have better careers than Cassel. I'm the biggest SC homer on Earth and I can't stand the guy.

So am I the only one on this entire board that disagrees with everyone else. I see me being quoted on everyone's post.

Malcontent or not I don't think Matt Cassel is not as good as he is made out to be, sorry if we disagree. I thought thats what this is for.

It is, but the only reason that you have (other than a guess) that Cassel will be a no good is because he played on a really good team. What kind of logic is that? And he didn't make the playoffs? They were 11-5 and got beat out be an 8-8 team. If u don't think that was a playoff calibur team, you might want to check out a football game or two.

[yashi]

I watched 3 of the final 4 Pats games in their entirety a few weeks ago, and all I can say is I don't see how anyone could think Cassel is not the real deal. I've also yet to see a single Pats fan say that he is anything less than a stud.

[KCOUTLAW]

amen! I'll drink to that.

[DT14PRIEST]

I'll bet a few GM's would agree that Stafford and Sanchez will have better careers than Cassel. I'm the biggest SC homer on Earth and I can't stand the guy.

So am I the only one on this entire board that disagrees with everyone else. I see me being quoted on everyone's post.

Malcontent or not I don't think Matt Cassel is not as good as he is made out to be, sorry if we disagree. I thought thats what this is for.

You're not the only one who doesn't agree with the trade on this board, but there are more people in favor for him then there are against him.

But I digress...

There is always two sides to a disagreement. If (and only if) we had a legitimate aging QB with a couple of years left in him I could see the merits in your arguements against Cassel. In spite of whats been commonly hyped in NE with the "rough diamond QB" specialist in Belichick and the recent success of the rookie QB in Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, I still am far from a believer that you can take a college QB and throw him in the NFL and expect him to do well his rookie season.

Draft a Matt Stafford with nothing but college exp and tell him to change the face of your franchise and you get Joey Harrington.

I also don't believe Tom Brady was the "Tom Brady" we all see today from day one. Rather I believe he had the potential but wasn't coached thoroughly enough in College to expand on it. Lets not forget that Tom Brady only started his Senior year at Michigan (he was 5th or 6th on the depth chart till then) and even then he was considered a run of the mill avg QB by scouts and draft proffessionals. I think what really paid dividends for his success was the time he was able to spend as a backup behind a mentor like Drew Bledsoe and the knowledge he then gained from NFL coaching that propelled him to success.\

You don't draft Rhett Bomar and sit him behind Tyler Thigpen and expect Tom Brady it just doesn't make sense.

The story is almost parrallel to the Cassel situation at USC save for the fact that him and Matt Leinart were in the same grad. class so he was relegated to his 2nd string position. You have to have seen it yourself (referencing the real life Pete Carrol here) or you wouldn't have had him on the team at USC. And the same situation in the draft occurred for Cassel...He was drafted late because Pioli/Belichick/Scouts saw his raw potential, he was then mentored and tutored behind a legit pro QB in Brady now, was coached for success in NE and thusly delivered when given the ball and asked to go when the star went down.

The process of building a team around his talents is something that will take time (1-2 years) that I know, but even then, I believe, the reward will be worth the wait.

You can't ask for much more, the proof is in the pudding; he succeeded in the same manner in which Brady did so the potential upside for him is enormous. Which is not to say he won't fail beacuase he could still yet but if their is one thing that I've learned about history in and of itself is that it does repeat itself and having a potential 'Brady' on our team, well I don't know how anyone can not not be excited about the future.

[chief31]

I don't see how drafting a Sanchez or Stafford is money in the bank and W's in the win column. As far as I know Sanchez is a one year injury prone USC standout, a flash in the pan, and Stafford is an inconsitent gunslinger Bulldog.

Could either of them pan out to be good to decent QB's in the future? Yes

Is history and stats in their favor? No

As far as our 2nd round pick is concerned, when you can bring in two players to start immediately and contribute/mentor to a young team; I think thats a deal that any GM would make in an instant. It immediately makes your team that much better then it was.

The only downside to Cassel is the cap hit we have to eat for his Franchise tag and even that when taken into perspective isn't a huge price to pay considering the potential upside he has. Yea he didn't start in college because Leinart had a stronger arm but when they were both given the reigns to a team and asked to lead one produced and the other didn't. Cassel instantly gained NFL credibility as a starter and future potential while Leinart revealed a bust in the making. Yea he was a backup in NE but he was scouted by Pioli and drafted in spite of it because of that potential.

With the Cassel acquisition we've already commitited our long term future with him at the helm. Our team, the Chiefs, will be molded to suit his strengths and assist in his deficencies (while few ones that can be ironed out with proper one on one coaching and continued progress as a starter). How anyone can think that we lost value in trading our 2nd round pick is just simple ignorance and total neglect to view reason. Their is no gaurentee with any pick in the draft that the college kid we draft produces as advertised.

What Pioli did was spend 2nd round potential for two proven players and gaurenteed day 1 starters, you can't ask for much else as a fan and thinking anything less of it is simply asinine.

A.) I am not ignorant for disagreeing with you, as I do.

B.) I am not asinine for disagreeing with you, as I do.

Neither player is a "Guaranteed day 1 starter", even barring injury.

I expect that both will start. Vrabel out of lack of options, and Cassel because Pioli will want to get his money's worth.

But, one is rather aged, and the other is still very much an unknown commodity.

I hated losing our 2nd round pick. But not nearly as much as I would have hated losing our 1st round pick by drafting a QB that would not have even seen the field next year.

If the Chiefs would have drafted Sanchez or Stafford at #3, you are making a big bet that the guy pans out. They also would have probably not contributed at all next year. Instead the Chiefs spent a 2nd round pick on a player who has proven he can play at the next level and can contribute day 1. Now we can use our 1st round pick to address the lackluster defense and pass rush.

Let's pretend for a second that Stafford or Sanchez had fallen into our laps in the 2nd round, I would rather have Cassell over either of those guys and Cassell has proven that he can win at this level. Throw Vrabel in the mix on a team that sorely needed LB's and help with their transition to a 3-4 scheme. I'm really not sure how you could argue against this trade unless you didn't want the Chiefs to draft a QB at all. That would have meant putting all of our hopes on Tyler Thigpen. I like Tyler Thigpen, but if he didn't work out or was injured, then this team would have been staring at another 2-14 season. Now we have a QB competition between two guys that I think have bright futures. That's a very much different situation than we had going into last season.

It was a great trade IMO. Great trade.

Amen! Except for the great trade concept.

Drafting a QB would have been a terrible move, IMO. But shedding our 34th overall pick for a QB prospect still sits uneasy with me.

I'll like it alot more, if he plays well here. But there is plenty to be sceptical about with Cassel.

I troll no where I am a Chiefs fan as hard as it has been, but I'm sorry I don't just agree with everything the FO has done.

I'll bet a few GM's would agree that Stafford and Sanchez will have better careers than Cassel. I'm the biggest SC homer on Earth and I can't stand the guy.

So am I the only one on this entire board that disagrees with everyone else. I see me being quoted on everyone's post.

Malcontent or not I don't think Matt Cassel is not as good as he is made out to be, sorry if we disagree. I thought thats what this is for.

You were the only one on who doesn't trust that trade. But you may be the only one bold enough to call him a bust at this point.

I don't trust Cassel, because I do believe that alot of generic QBs could have gotten an 19-1 team to 11-5. But I can't say that I think he is a bust.

Do you seriously think if Cassell was in the upcoming draft he'd fall to the 34th pick? There were teams willing to give up their 1st pick for him (Jets/Bucs)

We got a good deal and retained our 1st pick. We are still in a position to have an outstanding draft.

There is no way that anyone made a better offer for Cassel, or he would have been traded there instead.

The NFL is big business. And friendship doesn't override business.

You're not the only one who doesn't agree with the trade on this board, but there are more people in favor for him then there are against him.

But I digress...

There is always two sides to a disagreement. If (and only if) we had a legitimate aging QB with a couple of years left in him I could see the merits in your arguements against Cassel. In spite of whats been commonly hyped in NE with the "rough diamond QB" specialist in Belichick and the recent success of the rookie QB in Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, I still am far from a believer that you can take a college QB and throw him in the NFL and expect him to do well his rookie season.

Draft a Matt Stafford with nothing but college exp and tell him to change the face of your franchise and you get Joey Harrington.

I also don't believe Tom Brady was the "Tom Brady" we all see today from day one. Rather I believe he had the potential but wasn't coached thoroughly enough in College to expand on it. Lets not forget that Tom Brady only started his Senior year at Michigan (he was 5th or 6th on the depth chart till then) and even then he was considered a run of the mill avg QB by scouts and draft proffessionals. I think what really paid dividends for his success was the time he was able to spend as a backup behind a mentor like Drew Bledsoe and the knowledge he then gained from NFL coaching that propelled him to success.

You don't draft Rhett Bomar and sit him behind Tyler Thigpen and expect Tom Brady it just doesn't make sense.

The story is almost parrallel to the Cassel situation at USC save for the fact that him and Matt Leinart were in the same grad. class so he was relegated to his 2nd string position. You have to have seen it yourself (referencing the real life Pete Carrol here) or you wouldn't have had him on the team at USC. And the same situation in the draft occurred for Cassel...He was drafted late because Pioli/Belichick/Scouts saw his raw potential, he was then mentored and tutored behind a legit pro QB in Brady now, was coached for success in NE and thusly delivered when given the ball and asked to go when the star went down.

The process of building a team around his talents is something that will take time (1-2 years) that I know, but even then, I believe, the reward will be worth the wait.

You can't ask for much more, the proof is in the pudding; he succeeded in the same manner in which Brady did so the potential upside for him is enormous. Which is not to say he won't fail beacuase he could still yet but if their is one thing that I've learned about history in and of itself is that it does repeat itself and having a potential 'Brady' on our team, well I don't know how anyone can not not be excited about the future.

I'll agree that there is a chance that we got an amazing deal. But, I am far from convinced of that yet.

At the time, the Elvis Grbac trade was considered a big win for us. As was the Steve Bono trade.

Cassel has all of the makings of that same kind of deal, if you look at it from a specific perspective.

Now, when you consider that this team was set at QB, and in dire straits at so many other positions, perhaps you will be able to see how one might be able to expect more from a 34th overall draft spot.

[DT14PRIEST]

A.) I am not ignorant for disagreeing with you, as I do.

B.) I am not asinine for disagreeing with you, as I do.

Neither player is a "Guaranteed day 1 starter", even barring injury.

I expect that both will start. Vrabel out of lack of options, and Cassel because Pioli will want to get his money's worth.

But, one is rather aged, and the other is still very much an unknown commodity.

I'll agree that there is a chance that we got an amazing deal. But, I am far from convinced of that yet.

At the time, the Elvis Grbac trade was considered a big win for us. As was the Steve Bono trade.

Cassel has all of the makings of that same kind of deal, if you look at it from a specific perspective.

Now, when you consider that this team was set at QB, and in dire straits at so many other positions, perhaps you will be able to see how one might be able to expect more from a 34th overall draft spot.

Maybe ignorant and asinine is a bit rough I'll concede the point I should of worded it better.

But I do believe that both are day one starters given the situation they're coming into. There is nothing better waiting in the wings. A sad statement but one that is well known throughout the community.

I, for one, don't see the Bono comparison. While he may have been considered a good trade back in 94 he never did accomplish what Cassel has already accomplished. You also have to consider that for every trade comparison likened to Grbac and/or Bono there has to be consideration for Trent Green/Warner/Brady who all came from similar situations and brought about success to their respective franchises.

So its a matter of perspective on that.

I'll be frank, I never thought this team was set at QB with Thigpen at the helm. This team is chalk full of holes that need to be filled and/or replaced and QB was one of them. I see the value of the 34th overall pick, I really do and I see the inherent risk in placing the future in Cassel's hands given the needs of the team. But I feel he is as good as advertised and given a GM and Coach that believe that he is the future and can knownignly and efficently build a team around him in time I think the Chiefs are primed for quite a long time of success.

With that one second round pick the Chiefs were going to take a risk on a player anyway. There is nothing garunteed in taking a college stud but there is already evidence in support of Cassel. I'll take a chance on a QB like Cassel with NFL exp. over a raw college player.

And we get veteran leadership (Vrabel) with it. THere is just (in my mind) nothing not to like about the trade thus far. Only if every player selected in the 2nd round of this draft turns into HoF players then yes, I'd be upset we missed out.