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Update:
Chiefs get Vrabel and Cassel in exchange for the Chiefs 2009 2nd rd(34th) pick.
NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Chiefs complete trade for Cassel «
Update:
Chiefs get Vrabel and Cassel in exchange for the Chiefs 2009 2nd rd(34th) pick.
Last edited by Coach; 02-28-2009 at 02:40 PM. Reason: added update.
Damn great post. I completely understand where you are coming from. I just don't think we have the talent around him to make him successful, look he took a team that went undefeated in the regular season the previous year and failed to make the playoffs with them . I don't think anyone has any doubt that if Mr Brady was at the helm they goto the superbowl and Mr Cassel is released.
I troll no where I am a Chiefs fan as hard as it has been, but I'm sorry I don't just agree with everything the FO has done.
I'll bet a few GM's would agree that Stafford and Sanchez will have better careers than Cassel. I'm the biggest SC homer on Earth and I can't stand the guy.
So am I the only one on this entire board that disagrees with everyone else. I see me being quoted on everyone's post.
Malcontent or not I don't think Matt Cassel is not as good as he is made out to be, sorry if we disagree. I thought thats what this is for.
Last edited by PeteCarroll; 04-01-2009 at 01:03 AM.
It is, but the only reason that you have (other than a guess) that Cassel will be a no good is because he played on a really good team. What kind of logic is that? And he didn't make the playoffs? They were 11-5 and got beat out be an 8-8 team. If u don't think that was a playoff calibur team, you might want to check out a football game or two.
The only reason a beer sweats around Canada is because he's decided it will be the next beer he drinks.
I watched 3 of the final 4 Pats games in their entirety a few weeks ago, and all I can say is I don't see how anyone could think Cassel is not the real deal. I've also yet to see a single Pats fan say that he is anything less than a stud.
amen! I'll drink to that.
You're not the only one who doesn't agree with the trade on this board, but there are more people in favor for him then there are against him.
But I digress...
There is always two sides to a disagreement. If (and only if) we had a legitimate aging QB with a couple of years left in him I could see the merits in your arguements against Cassel. In spite of whats been commonly hyped in NE with the "rough diamond QB" specialist in Belichick and the recent success of the rookie QB in Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, I still am far from a believer that you can take a college QB and throw him in the NFL and expect him to do well his rookie season.
Draft a Matt Stafford with nothing but college exp and tell him to change the face of your franchise and you get Joey Harrington.
I also don't believe Tom Brady was the "Tom Brady" we all see today from day one. Rather I believe he had the potential but wasn't coached thoroughly enough in College to expand on it. Lets not forget that Tom Brady only started his Senior year at Michigan (he was 5th or 6th on the depth chart till then) and even then he was considered a run of the mill avg QB by scouts and draft proffessionals. I think what really paid dividends for his success was the time he was able to spend as a backup behind a mentor like Drew Bledsoe and the knowledge he then gained from NFL coaching that propelled him to success.\
You don't draft Rhett Bomar and sit him behind Tyler Thigpen and expect Tom Brady it just doesn't make sense.
The story is almost parrallel to the Cassel situation at USC save for the fact that him and Matt Leinart were in the same grad. class so he was relegated to his 2nd string position. You have to have seen it yourself (referencing the real life Pete Carrol here) or you wouldn't have had him on the team at USC. And the same situation in the draft occurred for Cassel...He was drafted late because Pioli/Belichick/Scouts saw his raw potential, he was then mentored and tutored behind a legit pro QB in Brady now, was coached for success in NE and thusly delivered when given the ball and asked to go when the star went down.
The process of building a team around his talents is something that will take time (1-2 years) that I know, but even then, I believe, the reward will be worth the wait.
You can't ask for much more, the proof is in the pudding; he succeeded in the same manner in which Brady did so the potential upside for him is enormous. Which is not to say he won't fail beacuase he could still yet but if their is one thing that I've learned about history in and of itself is that it does repeat itself and having a potential 'Brady' on our team, well I don't know how anyone can not not be excited about the future.
Last edited by DT14PRIEST; 04-01-2009 at 11:28 PM.
A.) I am not ignorant for disagreeing with you, as I do.
B.) I am not asinine for disagreeing with you, as I do.
Neither player is a "Guaranteed day 1 starter", even barring injury.
I expect that both will start. Vrabel out of lack of options, and Cassel because Pioli will want to get his money's worth.
But, one is rather aged, and the other is still very much an unknown commodity.
Amen! Except for the great trade concept.
Drafting a QB would have been a terrible move, IMO. But shedding our 34th overall pick for a QB prospect still sits uneasy with me.
I'll like it alot more, if he plays well here. But there is plenty to be sceptical about with Cassel.
You were the only one on who doesn't trust that trade. But you may be the only one bold enough to call him a bust at this point.
I don't trust Cassel, because I do believe that alot of generic QBs could have gotten an 19-1 team to 11-5. But I can't say that I think he is a bust.
There is no way that anyone made a better offer for Cassel, or he would have been traded there instead.
The NFL is big business. And friendship doesn't override business.
I'll agree that there is a chance that we got an amazing deal. But, I am far from convinced of that yet.
At the time, the Elvis Grbac trade was considered a big win for us. As was the Steve Bono trade.
Cassel has all of the makings of that same kind of deal, if you look at it from a specific perspective.
Now, when you consider that this team was set at QB, and in dire straits at so many other positions, perhaps you will be able to see how one might be able to expect more from a 34th overall draft spot.
Maybe ignorant and asinine is a bit rough I'll concede the point I should of worded it better.
But I do believe that both are day one starters given the situation they're coming into. There is nothing better waiting in the wings. A sad statement but one that is well known throughout the community.
I, for one, don't see the Bono comparison. While he may have been considered a good trade back in 94 he never did accomplish what Cassel has already accomplished. You also have to consider that for every trade comparison likened to Grbac and/or Bono there has to be consideration for Trent Green/Warner/Brady who all came from similar situations and brought about success to their respective franchises.
So its a matter of perspective on that.
I'll be frank, I never thought this team was set at QB with Thigpen at the helm. This team is chalk full of holes that need to be filled and/or replaced and QB was one of them. I see the value of the 34th overall pick, I really do and I see the inherent risk in placing the future in Cassel's hands given the needs of the team. But I feel he is as good as advertised and given a GM and Coach that believe that he is the future and can knownignly and efficently build a team around him in time I think the Chiefs are primed for quite a long time of success.
With that one second round pick the Chiefs were going to take a risk on a player anyway. There is nothing garunteed in taking a college stud but there is already evidence in support of Cassel. I'll take a chance on a QB like Cassel with NFL exp. over a raw college player.
And we get veteran leadership (Vrabel) with it. THere is just (in my mind) nothing not to like about the trade thus far. Only if every player selected in the 2nd round of this draft turns into HoF players then yes, I'd be upset we missed out.
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