Veterans staying away from Kansas City Camp

**Vanilla Garilla** · 04-18-2009, 02:46 PM

I was just reading this article at espn.com.afcwest blog and found it interesting, and unnerving.

Veterans staying away from Kansas City camp

April 18, 2009 2:38 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson
Two of Kansas City's three disgruntled (or formally disgruntled) players are not practicing with the team Saturday at its voluntary minicamp Saturday.
Guard Brian Waters and tight end Tony Gonzalez _-- the Chiefs' two Pro Bowl players from 2008 __ are not practicing the Kansas City Star reports. Running back Larry Johnson is with the team. His agent said Thursday he would practice and that Johnson is excited about being in Kansas City.
With Waters and Gonzalez sitting out Saturday's practice, does that mean neither of them are excited about being in Kansas City? Quite possibly, yes.
I think the fact that Waters is missing is more interesting than the fact that Gonzalez is missing. The Kansas City Star reports notes that Gonzalez has missed voluntary camps in the past.
But, you would think Gonzalez would want to get a jump on the new era in Kansas City. So, maybe this is a subtle message to the Chiefs to try to trade him before or during next weekend's draft. It has been previously reported that Atlanta has been trying to acquire Gonzalez.
His absence will be duly noted by new Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli and new coach Todd Haley. Still, I believe, if Gonzalez is not traded next week, he will show up to the mandatory minicamp in June. Gonzalez is not one to make waves and he has too much respect for his time in Kansas City to cause a major disruption.
In Waters' case, though, I believe the fact that he is not practicing is a strong message. The Kansas City Star reported earlier this offseason that Waters wants to be traded because he got off on the wrong foot with Haley. His absence may be a sign of him trying to force the issue.
I could see a scenario where the Chiefs try to trade Waters - Buffalo could be interested - for a mid-round draft choice. Whatever happens, Saturday's development shows not all is right in Kansas City.

If this is the case, that's not too good of a sign for KC. I think it definitely shows their lack of interest in the team, heck even LJ is there and supportive. Maybe Tony is playing some basketball in SOCAL, but whats the deal with Waters?

**honda522** · 04-19-2009, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by YZILLA

Heres a video of where I am making my statement , Maybe its all fiction but Its on NFL Network.

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So much for being 80% sure he would be

**slc chief** · 04-19-2009, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by KansasCityChris

What is your source of info regarding his locker belongings being sent to him? I have yet to read anything or hear anything about this with exception from here on the forum. Do you have a link that states it or that the KC organization released a statement saying he is no longer a Chief? How about a video, anything at all? I wanna see something concrete not rumor info that some trouble making KC star reporter posted that a reliable source told him, I want to see concrete evidence in the form of an Official announcement because if you can't deliver anything of the sort then it is nothing more than Internet rumors and I can start one of those anytime I feel like it and I could prolly even fabricate a story with a video and everything. The NFL Network has yet to announce that he has been sent packin nor have I read it at NFL.com. I hate the KC Star rumor machine and their negativity surrounding the team. If I were Pioli I would demand they not publish anymore stories without real evidence but I believe it would be a infrindgement of their right to the freedom of the press. The only bad thing is reports that aren't true usually end up like the Cutler inncodent. Just give me one concrete link to a story I can read or watch or listen to and I will stand corrected, otherwise it is simple Bullshlt rumors.
I just thopught of something and felt the need to add it,
I seriously doubt that Chiefs management would allow Tony's locker to be cleaned out by anyone other than Tony himself especially before there is o reason for it. If he hasn't officially been traded or cut by the team, it would be totally unprofessional for that to occur no matter who it is involved so please , keep in mind this isn't a high school team situation we are talking about here. Brian Waters is being the jackass that LJ was 2 years ago so if he wants a new contract or he sits out, I say give him a new contract with another team , like maybe Detroit.

i heard it on nfl live i believe it was tuesday dont know but it was earlier in the week. but they definantly said that tony gonzalez had his locker cleaned out

**slc chief** · 04-19-2009, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by KansasCityChris

Not enough as Piloi didn't jump on it. In the Draft Interview for Haley and Pioli , Pioli said they will not be trading any under contract Chiefs before the draft, he will entertain offers but not do any trading . ATL or any other team wanting TG will need to pay up for the man, he is very valuable to us right now with us rebuilding and such.

that statemant kind of does not make sense i will entertain offers but not trade. like you said if the price is right they would ship tony in a heartbeat sad but true.i really think cassell needs all the weapons we have to offer right now. and even if we got a second round pick for him who is to say if he pans out. i say keep gonzo if he stays healthy for this year and next year he will get his championship run with the team he belongs with the greatest franchise in the nfl chiefs chiefs chiefs

**Canada** · 04-19-2009, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by KansasCityChris

I am so sorry I don't live here, if I had the time I would but hey, I watched that and I posted my thoughts. I still think it won't happen until the draft. Noob? LMMFASTFO!!!!! Canada, I expect better from you dude ;)

If thats the case don't try and rip a guy a new one for posting something. I believe you were going off on him about a lack of sources. But I guess NFL network is not reputable enough for you?

**Canada** · 04-19-2009, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by KansasCityChris

Well, I guess he provided it and like usual your a bit late with the tongue lashing. If you don't like it to bad, what you gonna do about it? I believe I told him good job for providing the info , I watched it and spoke my mind , yet your attitude is as usual impulsivly where it doesn't belong. If you don't like what a person is saying you need to make sure that it isn't you that it's being said to in which this case it wasn't.I wasn't being harsh or maliscious I simply called him on the source and he gave it up. Whats your beef about that?

All I did was post the source from the thread he started. Sorry if you find that impulsive. Don't get your panties in a wad.

**Vanilla Garilla** · 04-19-2009, 07:05 PM

Simmer Down Naw!

**Bike** · 04-20-2009, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by KansasCityChris

I was not home tuesday so that would be why I didn't see it. Usually if something has consistancy to it, the TV version of NFL Network would keep reporting it through out the week but I haven't seen it yet . Now that I am aware of it I am looking for it as well so maybe it's true maybe it's rumor but the bottom line is if he is traded the best chance it will happen is the draft where Pioli can get what he wants by pressuring ATL. Maybe he will get the early second back, lets hope if he does trade him he gets something we need. I hate the word if, to much use of it LMAO!!!!!!

LMAO!!! Where were you - work?
Or are you one of them 40-something retired/disabled society props that has made my money absolutely worthless...

**dbolan** · 04-20-2009, 10:16 AM

Those guys should be there. It is not like they have to over exert themselves in a voluntary camp. It is more of a leadership demo and to show their anticipation for the upcoming year. To get an idea of what is going on and to start building relationships.

The fact that they are not there is somewhat different than T.O. not going to the Bills camp. In KC, we have entirely new coaching staff and several new, key players whereas the Bill's were still in tact from last season.

I totally percieve this as "wanting out".

**Bike** · 04-20-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by KansasCityChris

Actually I was in Physical Therapy as I am one of the 40 something retired Military disabled from war people that made your dollar worthless. Does that answer your question?

Yes it does.

**Bike** · 04-20-2009, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by dbolan

Those guys should be there. It is not like they have to over exert themselves in a voluntary camp. It is more of a leadership demo and to show their anticipation for the upcoming year. To get an idea of what is going on and to start building relationships.

The fact that they are not there is somewhat different than T.O. not going to the Bills camp. In KC, we have entirely new coaching staff and several new, key players whereas the Bill's were still in tact from last season.

I totally percieve this as "wanting out".

Agreed. Waters and Gonzo should really be there - if for nothing else but to show support for new management, teammates, and the shiny new....
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