hey guys falcons fan here!!

[FLYINFALCONSGA]

first congrats for getting cassel and vrabel for just a second round pick scot pioli really did screw up his former team..and i just wanna say great draft last year..i was jelous of all ur pics last year and it looks like curry is the guy u all will be picking this year..anyways..alotta falcon fans are talkin about trading for Dorsey....so i came here to see what u guys thought of that...and is he on the trading block?

[jmlamerson]

Dorsey could become a Falcon for the right price. The numbers that I have heard thrown around would be a 1st and 2nd or a 1st and 3rd. I'm not sure of the exact amount of the cap hit, but it really doesn't matter considering this team is about $40million under it and won't be any where close to going over it. The cap hit would not be $20 million though.
AdamJT13: A loophole around the NFL's 30 Percent Rule

I think you're reading that article wrong. They're talking about structuring new contracts in expectation of an uncapped year in 2010, not the cap hit we'd take in 2009.

[jmlamerson]

i thought they only take the cap if he's cut, but when he's traded his salary goes with him so the cap hit transfers to the new team with him.

Salary and salary cap number are two different things.

A person's salary is their yearly salary.

A person's salary cap number is (1) a prorated portion of the player's signing bonus; and (2) their yearly salary.

If a player is cut/traded, the team that signed him to the signing bonus must count the entire remaining prorated portion of the singing bonus against their cap for that year, if they cut/trade him before June 1. It will be split for the next two years if you cut/trade him after June 1.

Assume you sign Player A to a 5 year contract, at $5M a year, with a $10M signing bonus in 2008. Assume no escalators, incentives, or any of that stuff. In 2008, that player counts for $7M against your cap. You trade Player A in 2009 before June 1. Although you don't have to pay the player any more salary, you must count the prorated bonus against your cap. Player A will count for $8M against your cap in 2009. If you cut/trade him after June 1, Player A counts $4M against your 2009 cap and $4M against your 2010 cap.

This is commonly referred to as dead cap space. You do not have to pay the salary of the person cut/traded, but he will count against your cap. The NFL does this so that teams can't sign people to huge signing bonuses and cut them the next year to avoid cap implications.

[pbatrucker]

Salary and salary cap number are two different things.

A person's salary is their yearly salary.

A person's salary cap number is (1) a prorated portion of the player's signing bonus; and (2) their yearly salary.

If a player is cut/traded, the team that signed him to the signing bonus must count the entire remaining prorated portion of the singing bonus against their cap for that year, if they cut/trade him before June 1. It will be split for the next two years if you cut/trade him after June 1.



Assume you sign Player A to a 5 year contract, at $5M a year, with a $10M signing bonus in 2008. Assume no escalators, incentives, or any of that stuff. In 2008, that player counts for $7M against your cap. You trade Player A in 2009 before June 1. Although you don't have to pay the player any more salary, you must count the prorated bonus against your cap. Player A will count for $8M against your cap in 2009. If you cut/trade him after June 1, Player A counts $4M against your 2009 cap and $4M against your 2010 cap.

This is commonly referred to as dead cap space. You do not have to pay the salary of the person cut/traded, but he will count against your cap. The NFL does this so that teams can't sign people to huge signing bonuses and cut them the next year to avoid cap implications.

I have read somewhere, probally espn.com, that because there is no cap for next year, the total hit would be applied to 2009 and not spread out over two years.

[jmlamerson]

I have read somewhere, probally espn.com, that because there is no cap for next year, the total hit would be applied to 2009 and not spread out over two years.

Interesting. Makes sense, I guess.

If we cut Dorsey, it's a $20M hit (actualy $19._M) then, whether before or after June 1.

[wildcat]

We are still way under the cap from what I understand. If we had to take a cap hit, it would be better for it to be all this year. That way it would not effect the FA signings next offseason.

I hope we keep Dorsey and he turns out to be a great player, but like everybody else I'm just not sure how he is going to do in a 3-4.