Share your thoughts. 1st ballot, 2nd ballot, etc.
I am not blaming Bowe for anything and really like him. But he is NO Fitzgerald. It is event close. The whole discussion to think so is absurd and highly unrealistic. He just does not have the hands like Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald works and works and works on catching the ball. One handed, two hands, upside down, on his back. It is why he almost always comes down with a jump ball.
Last edited by Coach; 05-13-2009 at 07:52 PM.
EDIT: What Yashi said
Bowe isn't as good of an athlete at Fitz (or Moss or Burress for the matter). But he can be at least as good as Owens, Torry Holt, or any other number of great WRs of his era. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for in toughness and instincts. With the exception of Calvin Johnson, there's not another WR under 25 that I'd rather have on this team.
If he is truly a HOF QB. There is no way Marc Bulger pushes him out of St. Louis by out performing him. Warners performance since leaving the Rams was nothing but a joke, until He finds another team with a great system and the type of talent as what you saw years ago with the rams.
I am sorry. It was obvious in Kurts off years that his previous sucess was greatly contributed to the talent around him. Not him. Just as Marc Bulgers early success now failing.
He is a great cinderella story, but if he is a true HOF Qb. The value of the HOF isn't that great in my opinion.
Bulger didn't push anyone out of St. Louis. Warner's thumb pushed Warner out of St. Louis.
Also Marshall Faulk. He wasn't that great with the Colts. He goes to the Rams and is immediately the best RB in the league. Why? Warner forced defenses to play conservatively, leaving Faulk with plenty of room to work with. His career sure went downhill fast after Warner was out of the picture.
Then with the Giants, it was clear from day 1 he was just buying time for Eli to start. After a couple bad games, they put in Manning and didn't look back.
Take a look at some career QB ratings.
John Elway - 79.9
Joe Montana - 92.3
Tom Brady - 92.9
Kurt Warner 93.8.
Also note that Leinart has never looked anything less than unspectacular with the exact same offense Warner's playing in now. Seriously, the guy led the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and almost beat the Steelers. They have a below average defense, no running game, and mediocre offensive line (which was abysmal a few years ago). Yes, they have Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, but great WRs can't help a team if the ball doesn't get to them.
Last edited by yashi; 05-05-2009 at 09:32 AM.
Peyton Manning's always had Marshall Faulk/Joseph Addai/Marvin Harrsion/Reggie Wayne/Dallas Clark and other superstars. That doesn't mean he's a "system QB."
He next went to the Cards, where he has posted phenomenal numbers. Do you think it's an accident that he can post Pro Bowl numbers in Arizona when QBs like McNown, Leinert, and the other goobers who have played QB there couldn't?
This really isn't debateable. Your belief that he's just a "system QB" isn't backed up by any facts.
EDIT: What yahsi wrote
ybe not his first attempt but never the less..YES he will get in!
1st Ballot NO DOUBT!!!!!!
Kurt Warner is a no brainer for the HOF! Duh!