Offense

**vikingfan** · 07-09-2009, 09:35 AM

Hey Guys, big Viking fan here. Anyway, fantasy question here. What type of offense is Haley planning on running with the Chiefs this year? Thigpen was a fantasy stud in my league last year with the spread. New coach, new qb, new TE, what do the Chiefs plan on doing this year? Coming from AZ I would think that Dwayne Bowe could have a big year but there isnt really a compliment to him anywhere.

**Coach** · 07-12-2009, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by jmlamerson

I see Cassel with about 3000 yards and 20 TDs. LJ (barring injury) should have a great year, 1500 yards 16 TDs. Bowe will be a very solid 1000-1200 yard, 10-12 TD WR. There's too much uncertainty as to starters at the other positions (Bradley v. Engram, O'Connell v. Cottam, etc.) to say they'll be valuable fantasy players. And while Charles might be worthwhile as a late round handcuff, he's not going to be getting more than 4-5 touches/game unless LJ gets hurt.

I also think LJ could be a late round fantasy steal in most drafts, although probably not in the ChiefsCrowd.com draft. I'm not quite sure he'll be getting 1500 yds and 16 td's though. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say 1000 yds, 12 td's because of the offensive scheme being more pass oriented.

**jmlamerson** · 07-12-2009, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Coach

I also think LJ could be a late round fantasy steal in most drafts, although probably not in the ChiefsCrowd.com draft. I'm not quite sure he'll be getting 1500 yds and 16 td's though. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say 1000 yds, 12 td's because of the offensive scheme being more pass oriented.

The thing is, we can't really be more pass-oriented in 2009. We don't have the WRs (Bradley's and Engram are both big injury risks) or defense for it. I know people (maybe rightfully) are getting tired of comparing us to the Pats, but I see us running a Pats-style 2003-2004 offense. Lots of power running and an accurate short-to-medium passing game to keep defenses honest.

Unless we run, and run often, we won't be able to control the clock. Our defense improved by leaps and bounds this offseason, and we finally have some big bodies on the DL, but we aren't exactly a top-15 run defense yet. We don't have a real NT, our DEs are rookies or projects, and our OLBs are old or projects. We need to keep our defense off the field as much as possible in 2009. In 2010, our young defensive players will be more seasoned, and we'll have drafted or signed some more help in the front seven, and we'll be able to air it out some more.

**Big Daddy Tek** · 07-13-2009, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Canada

Hey man, any Chiefs player will get you plenty of fantasy points. Sigh Cassel, Bowe, LJ and Jamaal Charles and you should do just fine!!

Is that an Eric Hicks jersey, Canada?

**Three7s** · 07-13-2009, 03:02 AM

My guess would be Derrick Thomas, but I guess it could be Hicks!

**Bike** · 07-13-2009, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Coach

I also think LJ could be a late round fantasy steal in most drafts, although probably not in the ChiefsCrowd.com draft. I'm not quite sure he'll be getting 1500 yds and 16 td's though. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say 1000 yds, 12 td's because of the offensive scheme being more pass oriented.

I feel your optimism, but I just don't see it. LJ is coming off a couple injury plagued seasons and he ain't gettin' any younger. He's 30 years old and his body has taken a pounding since he's been here. Not to mention a rebuilt offensive line that was one of the worst in the league last year.
If LJ can stay injury-free at least through the bye week, I will be somewhat surprised. For him to do that, its gonna demand that JC gets more than 4-5 touches/game...(IMO).

**Canada** · 07-13-2009, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek

Is that an Eric Hicks jersey, Canada?

Nope, DT!!

**Bike** · 07-13-2009, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by KansasCityChris

If Herm the Worm were still running the show for us I would more than likely agree with you, however he isn't and that means that LJ has a brand new smile on his face along with his new attitude. When LJ is happy that means he is going to get the ball , A LOT! We need to do that as controlling the ball will be key so we can control the clock thus keeping the opponant Offense off the field. The longer we can hold the ball the better our chance of winning will be.

Our defense has improved huge this offseason but not enough to shut teams down to take the ball so until we can get there we will need to slow down our rate of attack . LJ will hopefully get some big breakout runs helping us score faster than normal, that always hurts the other teams defensive mental.

I'm not denying that LJ my have a new smile, heart, attitude - whatever you want to call it. I'm more concerned about his age, body, and past injuries. I just hope he has the motor to withstand the 19 game pounding he will no doubt receive this season...

**AkChief49** · 07-23-2009, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Bike

I'm not denying that LJ my have a new smile, heart, attitude - whatever you want to call it. I'm more concerned about his age, body, and past injuries. I just hope he has the motor to withstand the 19 game pounding he will no doubt receive this season...

love the optimism!!!rep

**Snoopy09** · 07-24-2009, 05:34 PM

Larry Johnson will be a beast this year. No doubt he can do the 19 game season but I wonder if he will be happy not getting the ball every down. I hope he gets 2000 yards this year.

**jmlamerson** · 07-24-2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Church_Backfield

2000 yards is laughable and no offense but LJ is squat in my eyes until he proves he is no longer going to try and dance around. Last 2 years granted behind a line that couldnt block ryan sims 5-1(sarcasm but u get it) he has tried to dance way to much. I dont see him lower his shoulder and just try to make something out of nothing. I would love to see charles and his 5.3 ypc average get more looks with his blazing speed. And i cant see were people say we dont have the wideouts to run the spread. Last year we didnt have any stellar wideouts cept Bowe and TG and we were in alot of games. Even though tony is gone the TE was not huge for haley and arizona. I think Haley if he believes in cassel like he says he does will open it up and let the sparks fly. The effects are yet to be determined but at any rate i just want to see improved defense. And for everyone who bashed herm you overlook one big time thing that is HE FINALLY MADE THE CHIEFS YOUNGER... and even though not better he never got a chance to see if it would turn out. It beats the peterson vet plug show that did wonders for our SP appearances! Or the Vermiel offense no show defense and cunninghams absolute crap tastic job at anything...

It did not beat the Vermeil years. What are you smoking? Vermeil's teams had better defenses than the Chiefs under Herm in 2008. Did Vermeil screw up by drafting badly and trading for too many vets? Yeah. But Herm Edwards stripped this team (especially its defense) of its talent, and installed bad players to run schemes that had no chance of working.

Herm did make the Chiefs younger. He traded or let go in FA every single player in his prime and replaced them with undrafted guys. You know how we have big question marks at most positions, despite bringing into 5-6 new starters this ofseason? That's a result of Herm dismissing most of the talent from the team. "Youth movements" only work if the players you bring in are good. And in his three years of drafts and FA, for the most part he drafted terribly and signed terrible FAs.

If Herm were still here, we wouldn't have traded for Cassel. Instead, we'd have drafted Sanchez at 3. We'd have stuck with the Cover 2, despite not remotely having the personnel for it. We'd be a two win team for the appreciable future.

The degree to which Herm Edwards destroyed this team cannot be stated in just one angry rant. I'd rather have Grbac at QB and Lin Elliott at kicker in 2009 than have Herm f'n Edwards as coach.