Just How Bad Cassel Really Is

[Bike]

Haley was the HC. But his superiors blocked him from doing his job, by doing it for him.

This is because Haley was an idiot.

[chief31]

Just out of curiosity, how many times have you turned around a 2-14 team into a 10-6 NFL division champion?

Or do you always fail to support your judgements?

[Ryfo18]

Just out of curiosity, how many times have you turned around a 2-14 team into a 10-6 NFL division champion?

Or do you always fail to support your judgements?

With the 11th ranked scoring defense, #1 rushing offense, and #30 passing offense, let's give credit where it's due--The O-line, JC and TJ, the defense, and the coaching staff...namely Weis (who was calling plays) and Crennel.

Cassel played well, but he was a small part. And when he was called upon to carry the team, he responded by going 9/18 for 70 yards and 3 INTs in the Wild card game.

The Chiefs need to look for a QB that can put the team on his back. I'm not blind to the fact that it's difficult, but Matt Cassel is not the guy that can do that, it's that simple.

[chief31]

With the 11th ranked scoring defense, #1 rushing offense, and #30 passing offense, let's give credit where it's due--The O-line, JC and TJ, the defense, and the coaching staff...namely Weis (who was calling plays) and Crennel.

Cassel played well, but he was a small part. And when he was called upon to carry the team, he responded by going 9/18 for 70 yards and 3 INTs in the Wild card game.

The Chiefs need to look for a QB that can put the team on his back. I'm not blind to the fact that it's difficult, but Matt Cassel is not the guy that can do that.

Pretty easy for you to assume all credit away from the HC there, isn't it?

We don't know how much of he offense was a result of who's play-calling/design.

But, for my money, I would give most of the offensive credit to the incredible individual talent of JC.

Nobody else was able to run with that blocking, and the running game was what slowed the pass-rush, in my opinion.

But, all spin and speculation aside, Todd Haley coached this team from 2-14 to 10-6 division champs.

How about if you ACTUALLY give credit where it is due, instead of spinning away from reality?

[Ryfo18]

Pretty easy for you to assume all credit away from the HC there, isn't it?

We don't know how much of he offense was a result of who's play-calling/design.

But, for my money, I would give most of the offensive credit to the incredible individual talent of JC.

Nobody else was able to run with that blocking, and the running game was what slowed the pass-rush, in my opinion.

But, all spin and speculation aside, Todd Haley coached this team from 2-14 to 10-6 division champs.

How about if you ACTUALLY give credit where it is due, instead of spinning away from reality?

So you're willing to go on the record and say that the head coach that was 4-12 calling plays deserves the credit after a brilliant playcaller in Charlie Weis comes in and the team all the sudden jumps to 10-6?

Weis then leaves and the team starts 0-3 in 2011. Matt Cassel is 54-82 for 428 yards and a 3/5 TD/INT ratio through those first 3 games, after throwing 7 total INTs through 16 games in 2010.

What exactly did Todd Haley do that had a bigger impact than Weis or Crennel in 2010? Seriously? The biggest impact he had was running Charlie Weis out of town.

[chief31]

So you're willing to go on the record and say that the head coach that was 4-12 calling plays deserves the credit after a brilliant playcaller in Charlie Weis comes in and the team all the sudden jumps to 10-6?

Weis then leaves and the team starts 0-3 in 2011. Matt Cassel is 54-82 for 428 yards and a 3/5 TD/INT ratio through those first 3 games, after throwing 7 total INTs through 16 games in 2010.

What exactly did Todd Haley do that had a bigger impact than Weis or Crennel in 2010? Seriously? The biggest impact he had was running Charlie Weis out of town.

I am willing to deal in reality, as opposed to making excuses for success.

He was the HC, while Crennel and Weiss were merely coordinators.

What exactly did he do? No need for BS speculation here. He coached the team. Any guess as to how much involvement he had with play-calling is just one's own imagination.

But, to share a bit of imagination..... Weiss left after that one season, suggesting that he was not thrilled with some interference in running the offense. Pretty easy to make a BS statement that Haley was far more involved with the offense than what you want to give the guy credit for.

And the following season started out at 0-3.... With a shortened off-season, ridiculous injuries, and they followed that up with four straight wins, even without the central cog of the offense (JC).

But the dream world you are presenting is still just a total failure in the face of the written-in-stone fact that Todd Haley led this team from 2-12 to 10-6 division chaps in two years.

You can spin away from it all you want. But that stone cold fact will be right here waiting for when you are done denying reality.

[Ryfo18]

I am willing to deal in reality, as opposed to making excuses for success.

He was the HC, while Crennel and Weiss were merely coordinators.

What exactly did he do? No need for BS speculation here. He coached the team. Any guess as to how much involvement he had with play-calling is just one's own imagination.

But, to share a bit of imagination..... Weiss left after that one season, suggesting that he was not thrilled with some interference in running the offense. Pretty easy to make a BS statement that Haley was far more involved with the offense than what you want to give the guy credit for.

And the following season started out at 0-3.... With a shortened off-season, ridiculous injuries, and they followed that up with four straight wins, even without the central cog of the offense (JC).

But the dream world you are presenting is still just a total failure in the face of the written-in-stone fact that Todd Haley led this team from 2-12 to 10-6 division chaps in two years.

You can spin away from it all you want. But that stone cold fact will be right here waiting for when you are done denying reality.

I'm the one denying reality? You make it sound like it wasn't 100% obvious that Charlie Weis called the plays all year. Let me spell it out for you again:

1.) Todd Haley comes to coach the team in 2009. He calls the plays and the team goes 4-12.
2.) Charlie Weis is named as the offensive coordinator in 2010, the team goes 10-6 and gets a wild card berth. There was no secret who was calling the plays, as you make it out to seem like.

ESPN's AFC West Insider Bill Williamson seems to agree here by stating:

"How much Weis had to do with the Chiefs' success is open to conjecture, but players said he contributed greatly to the improvement that took Kansas City to a 10-6 record. Running back Jamaal Charles, wide receiver Dwayne Bowe and Cassel made the Pro Bowl after the Chiefs won their first AFC West title since 2003.

Cassel's improvement was dramatic; he had 16 TD passes and 16 interceptions when Haley was calling plays, but under Weis -- until the last two games -- he played nearly mistake-free." (Source: Bill Muir to be Kansas City Chiefs' new O-coordinator - ESPN)

3.) We can again look to Haley's playcalling record when he stripped Weis of playcalling duties in the wildcard game against the Ravens (source: Report: Haley stripped play-calling duties from Weis | ProFootballTalk). The Chiefs went into halftime down 10-7. They failed to score a point in the second half.

4.) Todd Haley gets fired midway before the 2011 season even finishes.



You continue to speak that I'm not "dealing in reality" and living in a "dream world", when it's 100% obvious that the critical link between the Chiefs offense and success has been Charlie Weis in the the last 3 years. That is the only constant when you look back at when this offense had success. And to say it's not dealing in reality is ridiculous, it was also a "stone cold fact" that Charlie Weis called the plays for the Chiefs in 2010 (except for the 2nd half of an important wildcard game that the Chiefs then got shutout for).

But, to share a bit of imagination..... Weiss left after that one season, suggesting that he was not thrilled with some interference in running the offense. Pretty easy to make a BS statement that Haley was far more involved with the offense than what you want to give the guy credit for.

You're telling me that Todd Haley didn't get along with someone...I'm shocked.