IF we have the first pick in 2012 do we go for Andrew Luck

**doobs_05** · 09-13-2011, 01:36 AM

So lets say we do get the first pick overall, do we go for Andrew Luck (if he is still considered #1)or do we trade the pick or draft someone else?

**DMN** · 09-13-2011, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Chiefster

Oh they gave us plenty to talk about; just none of it very pleasant, but I understand what you're saying and agree. My only point is that even with the overwhelming evidence at hand there are simply too many variables at play at this point to begin even thinking about being in a position to grab Andrew Luck in the first round of the 2012 draft; especially after just the first week of the 2011 season.

...Just my two cents.

Unfortunately we are only 1 year removed from the 3 year $hit show that was the 07-09 Chiefs. And because of this we have somewhat become ingrained with pessimism because we were let down game after game.

Even when watching the game on sunday there were a group of bills fans saying "Don't worry we collapse in the second half, you guys have a chance" and other things to that effect, not able to digest that their team played that well. Whereas, and I can only speculate, Steelers fans will let this week go as a slide knowing that their team has enjoyed way more success than failure in recent years.

My Love for the Chiefs works sorta like maybe a love affair with a Woman. And lets say we have been together 4 years. Well the first 3 she cheated on me time and time again. And we would go through a week long counseling session trying to restore my pride, and even my friends would say "don't worry, we will turn it around next week" And what would happen that very next Sunday.... BAM, cheats on me again for 3 straight hours, and it hurt so bad I couldn't look away.

Then came last year. She stopped hangin out with some of her dumb *** friends (Germ and the Queen) and vowed to change her ways. And for a whole year looked like she was committed to her new ways and that she wasn't going to look back.

And this brings us to now... I am not sure what to think because Sunday she went out with one of her ex's to just "hang out". So I can't say they definately banged but they sure as hell got to 3rd base.... and that is all I need to get panicked.

And yes I know I have completely lost my mind... And for gods sake... GO CHIEFS!!!!!!

**SIC J** · 09-13-2011, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by KC touchdown

This is pioli's third year, we should be seeing playoff/sb contenders. Not getting blown out 41-7 to a 4-12 team buff was last year. Three years is plenty of time to get a good squad together

SB contenders in 3 years from a completely destroyed and **** team? Really? LOL

**SAPHOJUNKIE** · 09-13-2011, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by doobs_05

So lets say we do get the first pick overall, do we go for Andrew Luck (if he is still considered #1)or do we trade the pick or draft someone else?

I'm pro-Haley, pro-pioli, and I'm happy enough with Cassel, both for his leadership and ability to actually win games.

If we have the #1 overall pick, we take Andrew Luck and never ever ever look back.

1. Smart
2. Arm strength
3. Accuracy
4. Pocket awareness
5. Winner
6. Character
7. Size
8. Athleticism

Dude has it all, and has a lot of it.

**Bike** · 09-13-2011, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Jrudi

Agree that a high % of 1st Round QB's don't live up to expectations, I'm sure a lot of that has to do with getting tossed into bad situations.

That Being Said, I've heard Luck is supposedly the best QB prospect since John Elway, some people state that he is better coming out of college than Manning... I'm not sure, If we are in a position to draft him, I wouldn't mind him setting out a year or a half of a season behind Cassel, or trading the pick for a large # of picks that could contribute. (To be honest if we traded the pick, we could possibly land A LOT of really good talent)

That being said as well..... It's 1 game down, why are we talking about the #1 pick. If it's week 12 and we are 2-10, then I might re-visit this conversation. As for now, we don't know.

If we are in a position to draft Luck, no way I would trade him - or sit him. Throw him to the wolves from day one and take are lumps.

**Bike** · 09-13-2011, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by KC touchdown

We def arent a competitive playoff team. 3 years is time to atleast MOVE FORWARD. We are going to go 3-13 this year

We need a strong, common sense head coach to go with Luck. If Pioli can't see this, we're in for a long ride.

**jmlamerson** · 09-13-2011, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by azchiefsfan

1st Round NFL Quarterbacks of This Decade: A Recap | Bleacher Report

Here is a list of all 1st round draft QB's. Despite what the loser writer writes(I only linked the article for the list), we have a 67% chance of getting a steaming pile of excrement rather than a good QB.

Pennington #18 2000-Bust
Vick #1 2001-Bust for Atlanta/Good after prison
Carr #1 2002-Bust
Harrington # 2002-Bust
Ramsey #32 2002-Bust
Palmer #1 2003-Bust(one good season)
Leftwich #7 2003-Bust
Boller #19 2003-Bust
Grossman #22 2003-Bust for Bears/Potential with DC
Manning #1 2004-Winner
Rivers #4 2004-Winner
Roethlisberger #11 2004-Winner
Lossman #22 2004-Bust
Smith #1 2005-Bust
Rodgers #24 2005-Winner
Campbell #25 2005-Bust
Young #3 2006-Bust
Leinhart #10 2006-Bust
Cutler #11 2006-Jury's still out
Russell #1 2007-Bust
Quinn #22 2007-Bust
Ryan #3 2008-Winner
Flacco #18 2008-Winner
Stafford #1 2009-Jury's still out
Sanchez #5 2009-Winner/Jury's still out
Freeman #17 2009-Winner/Jury's still out
Bradford #1 2010-Jury's still out
Tebow #25 2010-Bust

That list is terible. Pennington and Vick took the teams that drafted them to conference championships. Grossman took his to a Super Bowl. Cutler was stupidly traded and promptly took his new team to a conference championship. Palmer was a pro bowler who took bad Bengals teams to two division championships. Young is vastly underrated and has an overall winning record. It is way too early to call Tebow a bust, given Denver's stupidity.

**Chiefs fanatic** · 09-13-2011, 06:41 PM

If we get the number one pick it means that Cassel had a really bad year and we should take Luck. The only other thing we should consider doing is trading the pick as I think other teams will be willing to give up the farm to get Luck.

**SAPHOJUNKIE** · 09-13-2011, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by jmlamerson

That list is terible. Pennington and Vick took the teams that drafted them to conference championships. Grossman took his to a Super Bowl. Cutler was stupidly traded and promptly took his new team to a conference championship. Palmer was a pro bowler who took bad Bengals teams to two division championships. Young is vastly underrated and has an overall winning record. It is way too early to call Tebow a bust, given Denver's stupidity.

Vince Young was the offensive rookie of the year as well.

**jmlamerson** · 09-13-2011, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by SAPHOJUNKIE

Vince Young was the offensive rookie of the year as well.

Yep. People need to go to pro-football-reference and look at his wins/stats before bashing him. He's a good QB who could have been great if he'd been groomed properly.