Originally Posted by
jmlamerson
I had to respond to this, and every other defense of Herm Edwards's drafting abilities.
1. I have never said Flowers would wash out. I have always said that was best KC pick over the past three years.
2. You're right - Page, Webb, Stallings, Croyle, Pollard, Hali, Taylor, Smith, Tyler, McBride, Bowe, Merritt, Johnston, Richardson, Carr, Franklin, Morgan, Cottam, Charles, Flowers, Albert and Dorsey are all still on the team. Don't you think that is more of a sign that the Chiefs lack talent than how good of picks they were? How many of those do you really think will ever be legitimate starters?
Hali - A bust. Is getting run over every running play and is unable to rush the passer without a premier pass rusher taking up double teams.
Webb - A bust. Can't even crack the Chiefs 3rd WR spot despite the distinct lack of talent in the WR corps (outside Bowe).
Stallings - A bust. Can't crack the RG spot despite the immortal Adrian Jones stinking it up over there.
Croyle - Look, he is out of the league. He will never play another game. He won't be backing us (or anyone up) next year. He is a massive bust.
Pollard - I'll agree to disagree until he's in a coherent defensive scheme.
Hali - Hey, you listed him twice! I think you meant Page, who can't tackle or cover - bust.
Taylor - He's a servicable 6th OL, but he's shown nothing in the regular season yet to have me believe he's a 16-game starter on the OL.
Kolby Smith - A bust. If you want a 3/yd per carry runner, he's your guy. He's not a long-term solution at RB.
Tyler - A bust. Drafted way to high. Can't stop the run or rush the passer.
McBride - See Tyler.
Bowe - Great pick. Of course, one that Edwards fought.
Merritt - A non-factor this year. He's the Chiefs 4th TE or 2nd FB. Wasted pick either way.
Johnston - A bust. Can't start over Alfonso Boone despite Herm trying to give him the job.
Richardson - A bust. Can't start over McIntosh despite Herm trying to give him the job.
Carr - Solid slot CB.
Franklin - A bust. Injury prone and undersized.
Morgan - Undecided - will have to wait and see. Has done nothing yet this year.
Cottam - Undecided - will have to wait and see how he performs without Tony G.
Charles - Want to see if he can stand up to a real defense before declaring him anyhting more than a 3rd down back, but looked good against the Jets.
Flowers - Stud pick. See #1.
Albert - Injury prone and out of place as a LT. Yes, he played LT in high school. He is a better RG and should be moved there.
Dorsey - Is getting blown out so far this year. May turn into a stud, but at least not until his 2nd contract.
This isn't counting the four picks no longer on the team.
Look, few teams have drafted worse than the Chiefs these past three years. So many rookies have played for the Chiefs, not because they are so good, but because the Chiefs cannot (or will not) attract legitimate free agents.
For some reason, you think I'm defending Vermeil's drafting abilities. Vermiel, in the first three rounds of 2001 to 2005 drafted:
Derrick Johnson (2005)
Colquitt (2005)
Junior Siavii (2004)
Kris Wilson (2004)
Keyaron Fox (2004)
Larry Johnson (2003)
Kawika Mitchell (2003)
Julian Battle (2003)
Ryan Sims (2002)
Eddie Freeman (2002)
Eric Downing (2001)
Marvin Minnis (2001)
They also traded a 1st and 2nd for Trent Green, who turned out pretty well, and a 2nd for Surtain, who has been servicable as a CB.
D. Johnson, L. Johnson, Colquitt, Green, Surtain, and Mitchell were good picks/trades. That's 6 out of 15. It is not a good average (although JA in the 5th was a steal).
Edwards has busted on 16 picks. I'll call 5 undecided (Dorsey, Albert, Morgan, Charles, Cottam). Even giving you Pollard, Carr, Flowers, Taylor, and Bowe, that's only a 23% hit rate (5 out of 21, with 5 undecided). Only factoring in 1st to 3rd rounders, and even considering Pollard, that's only 3 hits, 5 undecided, and 4 busts. That isn't a good record. It's as bad as Vermeil's.
Edwards can't coach, scout talent, manage a game, manage a clock, win the loyalty of his own players, or do anything else. He's the worst coach in the NFL, and the Chiefs won't recover until he's gone. He's the Isiah Thomas of the NFL.
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