Chiefs 2009 salary cap figures

[texaschief]

Not including rookie contracts for those rookies coming in from the 2009 draft, these players have contracts with the Chiefs NEXT season. If the trend continues, the estimated salary cap for 2009 is $121.8 million. These salary cap figures are based on the contracts that they sign. They are not factored in with their "Cap Hit." Usually, a player's "Cap Hit" is larger than their salary number.


Albert, Branden- 493,750
Barth, Connor- 385k
Battle, Jackie- 460k
Boone, Alfonso- 1.4mil
Bowe, Dwayne- 460k
Bradley, Mark- 620k
Carnahan, Andrew- 385k
Carr, Brandon-385k
Charles, Jamaal- 385k
Colclough, Ricardo- 620k
Colquitt, Dustin- 900k
Cottam, Brad- 385k
Cox, Mike-385k
Croyle, Brodie- 530K
Darche, Jean-Philippe- 745k
Darling, Devard- 1mil
Dorsey, Glenn- 385k
Edwards, Donnie- 5mil
Edwards, Ron- 1.5mil
Flowers, Brandon-385k
Franklin, Will-385k
Gafford, Thomas-385k
Gatewood, Curtis-385k
Gonzalez, Tony- 4mil
Gray, Quinn-750k
Hali, Tamba-940k
Huard, Damon-2mil
Johnson, Derrick-1mil
Johnson, Larry-4.5mil
Johnston, Brian-385k
Leggett, Maurice-385k
Macklin, David- 745k
McBride, Turk-460k
McIntosh, Damion-2.1mil
Merritt, Mike-385k
Morgan, DaJuan-385k
Pollard, Bernard-530k
Richardson, Barry-385k
Robinson, Kevin-385k
Smith, Kolby-460k
Smith, Wade-620k
Studebaker, Andy-385k
Surtain, Pat-7mil
Taylor, Herb-460k
Thigpen, Tyler-460K
Tyler, Demarcus-460k
Washington, Tavares-385k
Waters, Brian- 3.6mil
Williams, Demario-1mil

Total committed salary for the 2009 season is:
$51,743,750

Not including the "cap hit" figures and signing bonuses for rookies, the Chiefs will have somewhere around $65 million in cap room to play with. The bargaining agreement requires teams to spend AT LEAST 86% of their salary cap. That figure comes out to be roughly $99.76 million if the cap est. is correct. "Cap Hit" numbers and signing bonuses with eat up a big portion of the $40 million the Chiefs have to spend, but that still leaves a big number for the Chiefs to make up just to get in compliance with the NFL/NFLPA agreement.

Some names the Chiefs will have to look at just from their own crop of free agents, will be:
Jason Babin- Starting DE
Rocky Boiman- Starting LB
Adrian Jones- Backup OG
Jon McGraw- Backup S
Rudy Niswanger- Starting C
Jarrad Page- Starting S
Pat Thomas- Backup LB
Jeff Webb- WR

Just from that list, you're looking at having to either re-sign or replace 4 or 5 starters to go along with the holes we already have.

Let's say we let all our free agents walk. What are we left with?

Defense:
LE- OPEN
LT- Tyler
RT- Dorsey
RE- Hali
LOLB- OPEN
MLB- OPEN
ROLB- D. Johnson
LCB- Carr/Leggett
RCB- Flowers
SS- Pollard
FS- OPEN

Offense:
WR- Bowe
LT- Albert/Taylor/OPEN
LG- Waters/OPEN
C- OPEN/Waters
RG- OPEN/Albert
RT- OPEN/Taylor/Albert
TE- Gonzo/Cottam
WR- Bradley
QB- Thigpen/OPEN
FB- Cox
RB- Johnson/Charles

Special
K-Barth
P-Colquitt
KR-Robinson/Charles

That leaves us with potentially 4 holes on defense and 3 holes on offense if we go with Thigpen. 7 holes to fill with either the guys we have, free agents or the 2009 draft class.

To recap, we'll have roughly $25-35 million in cap space. We're going to be drafting in the top 5 in April. We will have a new GM. We will have 7 holes to fill.

On offense, we're going to need a:
Center
OG and/or
OT

On defense, we're going to need a:
DE
OLB
MLB
S



You are the new GM. Go have fun.

[jmlamerson]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Tek

Thanx for the education JM. Oh yeah, before I go. Which of your players are being cut before June 1st and which ones will be cut after? The cap hit will change depending on when it happens. And I was wondering how you were able to figure out what their cap hits were? You would have to look at every one of their contracts (the actual annual breakdown, not just the total) And then figure out how much has already been paid and what hasn't. Most deals are "back loaded" meaning that the majority of the salary is played later, which is why releasing a new contract player is so devastating. Then you would take their signing bonus figure and divide that into the number of years they signed for originally. Once you had that number than you would multiply that by how many years were left. Then add that number to your hit. You might have done all that, If you did, Im a little worried, but more power to ya! This is just the beginning. What kind of Incentive payments did your released players have?Where they likely to be earned or unlikely to be earned. Those are real terms JM. Were they already earned and how did that break down over the remainder of the contract. You can pay for those after this season also. What about all the players that you re-signed? How much did you pay them, what was the breakdown and what was their signing bonus? Thats gonna change your cap room too. Thanx for the lesson.

PS- You'll know when I'm tryin' to insult you! :fighting0087:

No problem. If you want to know further about the difference between cap hits and actual salaries, let me know and I'll teach you further.

I'm glad you obviously read up on the subject between posts, and you now have rudimentary knowlegde of how the salary cap works.

If you keep reading up on the subject, maybe one day you'll know what you're talking about.

[texaschief]

Originally Posted by jmlamerson

Only time will tell on this and we'll have to agree to disagree until we see what the new GM does.

You are wrong about two things in particular:

1. I never said that we should cut most of the past three drafts. I said we shouldn't resign them when their rookie contracts are up. The only guy I said to cut from any of our past three drafts is Croyle.

2. If we get someone in demand (Polian, Pioli), we're not staying the course. If we get a CP lackey, we will. And if we get a CP lackey, we're going to keep losing.

Hunt isn't going to hire somebody who doesn't agree with what the organization is doing. So, if Polian or Pioli are hired, they're going to have to agree with what has already been started. If they aren't hired, you're probably right about them. I realize you fail to see the success of the plan in place, but that really doesn't surprise me. Most people who don't know much about football can't see it either. You're not alone.

[theaxeeffect4311]

Originally Posted by texaschief

Hunt isn't going to hire somebody who doesn't agree with what the organization is doing. So, if Polian or Pioli are hired, they're going to have to agree with what has already been started. If they aren't hired, you're probably right about them. I realize you fail to see the success of the plan in place, but that really doesn't surprise me. Most people who don't know much about football can't see it either. You're not alone.

Would you clarify what the plan in place is since you obviously know more than the rest of us?

[jap1]

Originally Posted by theaxeeffect4311

Would you clarify what the plan in place is since you obviously know more than the rest of us?

Rebuild through the draft is the plan that is in place. Hunt has said multiple times that he supports the "youth movement" as it has been dubbed.

[chief31]

Originally Posted by jap1

Rebuild through the draft is the plan that is in place. Hunt has said multiple times that he supports the "youth movement" as it has been dubbed.

The removal of CP suggests that the plan in place is already being considered a failure.

That might not be the case. But it definitely looks like it. When you start getting rid of management, especiallly when it is at the top, the statement is that things have gone wrong.

[Big Daddy Tek]

Originally Posted by jmlamerson

No problem. If you want to know further about the difference between cap hits and actual salaries, let me know and I'll teach you further.

I'm glad you obviously read up on the subject between posts, and you now have rudimentary knowlegde of how the salary cap works.

If you keep reading up on the subject, maybe one day you'll know what you're talking about.

The point JM, is that I laid out the only way that you could have succesfully calculated what your cap number would be if you made all of your stupid moves. Considering that you didnt do all that, your calculation is purely fictional as usual.

[nigeriannightmare]

Originally Posted by texaschief

Hunt isn't going to hire somebody who doesn't agree with what the organization is doing. So, if Polian or Pioli are hired, they're going to have to agree with what has already been started. If they aren't hired, you're probably right about them. I realize you fail to see the success of the plan in place, but that really doesn't surprise me. Most people who don't know much about football can't see it either. You're not alone.

However, as a GM wouldn't you want control of football operations, meaning evaluating every player and every coach. If the new GM is being brought in to follow through with what Carl and Herm are doing, then Carl resigning is a relatively moot point. I am gonna have to agree with others on the board, the resignation of Carl is a huge sign that Clark is not happy with the current situation no matter how you want to sugar coat the youth thing. A new GM means a new direction, then why hire somebody if Clark wants to follow the design that Carl and Herm have laid out. If in fact Clark wants to stay the course he should just be the GM or give Herm both titles of GM/HC.

[texaschief]

Originally Posted by chief31

The removal of CP suggests that the plan in place is already being considered a failure.

That might not be the case. But it definitely looks like it. When you start getting rid of management, especiallly when it is at the top, the statement is that things have gone wrong.

Originally Posted by nigeriannightmare

However, as a GM wouldn't you want control of football operations, meaning evaluating every player and every coach. If the new GM is being brought in to follow through with what Carl and Herm are doing, then Carl resigning is a relatively moot point. I am gonna have to agree with others on the board, the resignation of Carl is a huge sign that Clark is not happy with the current situation no matter how you want to sugar coat the youth thing. A new GM means a new direction, then why hire somebody if Clark wants to follow the design that Carl and Herm have laid out. If in fact Clark wants to stay the course he should just be the GM or give Herm both titles of GM/HC.

It's been said by Hunt that the decision was made for CP to retire earlier this season, perhaps even as early as this past summer. His contract ended after the 2009 season which would have rendered him a lame duck this off season. You don't want your team seeing the decisions being made for the future by a guy who wouldn't be there the following year. You NEVER want a lame duck running any kind of organization.

In normal circumstances, I would agree that a change at GM would indicate a perceived sense of failure by ownership. Just not in this case IMO. Hunt seems to endorse everything Herm believes. If ANYTHING, I would say Carl didn't like that plan and expressed this vehemently to Hunt. I think that is what ultimately led to his demise. Peterson wanted to sign crappy free agents like he always had and the ownership and coaching wanted to go in another direction.

The more I read about the situation and the more I listen to Hunt speak about Peterson's resignation, the more I believe this is closer to how things went down.

[Big Daddy Tek]

Originally Posted by texaschief

It's been said by Hunt that the decision was made for CP to retire earlier this season, perhaps even as early as this past summer. His contract ended after the 2009 season which would have rendered him a lame duck this off season. You don't want your team seeing the decisions being made for the future by a guy who wouldn't be there the following year. You NEVER want a lame duck running any kind of organization.

In normal circumstances, I would agree that a change at GM would indicate a perceived sense of failure by ownership. Just not in this case IMO. Hunt seems to endorse everything Herm believes. If ANYTHING, I would say Carl didn't like that plan and expressed this vehemently to Hunt. I think that is what ultimately led to his demise. Peterson wanted to sign crappy free agents like he always had and the ownership and coaching wanted to go in another direction.

The more I read about the situation and the more I listen to Hunt speak about Peterson's resignation, the more I believe this is closer to how things went down.

I agree with you completly Texas. Earlier in the season I heard that Clark had taken a real liking to Herm and alot of people inside felt that Carl was feeling stepped on by Herm. I actually wrote a thread about this a couple of months ago.

[theaxeeffect4311]

Originally Posted by jap1

Rebuild through the draft is the plan that is in place. Hunt has said multiple times that he supports the "youth movement" as it has been dubbed.

I think the point that everyone is missing is that every team builds through the draft. No mater who becomes the GM, the team will continue to build through the draft.

However, young free agents can help the youth movement as well because they could be an instant star unlike a rookie.

As far as Herm's job goes, we will find out if his job is safe depending on who Hunt hires.